From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 55 Date: 2/7/2005 7:38:41 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Assembler, was Newbie Questions (Doug Rupert) 2. RE: VE resin fuel Tanks (Doug Rupert) 3. R?f. : KR> Newbie Questions (Serge VIDAL) 4. stub wing length question (Bdazzcamro@aol.com) 5. Fuel Manifold..... (Bdazzcamro@aol.com) 6. Re: stub wing length question (Glasseyegav) 7. KR2 (A-D Aviation) 8. Test (Colin & Bev Rainey) 9. Glide ratio (Serge VIDAL) 10. Shortened wings (Colin & Bev Rainey) 11. Pics of W&B (Dan Heath) 12. Re: stub wing length question (patrusso) 13. Re: Pics of W&B (Dan Heath) 14. Re: Knock out punch, Assembler, was Newbie Questions (Dana Overall) 15. Re: Update (Orma) 16. Re: KR2 (Orma) 17. Re: Sanding wing fairing (Steven Phillabaum) 18. Shortened wings (larry flesner) 19. stub wing length / fuel tanks (larry flesner) 20. Re: Glide ratio (larry flesner) 21. Re: Glide ratio (Kenneth B. Jones) 22. R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio (Serge VIDAL) 23. R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio (Serge VIDAL) 24. Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio (gleone) 25. Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio (gleone) 26. Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Glide ratio (Kenneth B. Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:07:47 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Assembler, was Newbie Questions To: , "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001401c50cd3$0af5a270$0104e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Jack: Floats and land on the pond. As soon as the floats touch water, throw the anchor out the canopy, then pray the rope holds. Sorry couldn't help myself. Doug Rupert -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:07:47 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> VE resin fuel Tanks To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001501c50cd3$0c6f2310$0104e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" I was reading up on VE as that is what I'm using for my tanks and the resin supplier was quick to point out that all composite fuel tanks should be coated on the inside with Gelcoat, the same as the marine industry has been doing for years. Gives a smooth surface that contaminants can't stick to as well as being totally fuel proof and improving resistance to vibration cracking. Doug Rupert Simcoe Ontario -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:24:08 +0100 From: "Serge VIDAL" Subject: R?f. : KR> Newbie Questions To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Kirk. I have successfuly operated a stock KR2 at very high density altitude (Johannesburg, South Africa: 5300' altitude, up to 35°Celsius (95°Farenheit)). The main limitation in that case becomes runway length. My advice to anybody planning to operate from such an altitude would be: 1) Build a 2S, to get better balance; 2) Extend the wings slightly, to decrease wing loading 3) Get yourself a climb prop (sacrifice a little bit of cruise speed, if need be. Regards, Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "KM Urban" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-02-06 01:58 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-02-06 01:59 Pour : cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Newbie Questions Dear List, I am new to the list and I have been poking around the KR Net and have found answers to alot of questions so I will try to keep this short.Just as a point of interest, I grew up in So Cal and I used to ride my bike (as a kid) over to Meadowlark and I would stop by the KR factory once in awhile.I got to meet Ken when he was alive and he always had a minute for me. When I tried to buy the plans with paper route money, he told me to come by with my parents and he would sell plans with their blessing. Well that was the end of that! Here I am years down the road, and I still like the KR planes. My questions are: How does the plane do at high density altitudes? I live in the Salt Lake area, and it gets pretty hot in the summer. Has any one found this to be a problem? Is it realistic to use the 2S as a traveling machine for two people. What about a Jabaru engine? Has it been tried? Last but not least, some know it all at Oshcosh last year was explaining to me all the "Inherent Problems" with the KR and he said the airframe will not last long due to cracks between the wood and composite material in the airframe. Sounded hoaky, but I am wondering what is the highest time airframe anyone has seen? Thanks Kirk kmurban@sprintmail.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:54:57 EST From: Bdazzcamro@aol.com Subject: KR> stub wing length question To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" HI Netters, I am wondering if it is possible to make the spars longer to create bigger fuel tanks and maybe shorten the out spars a bit. Maybe talking 6" or so on either side. If anyone has heard of anyone doing this or thinking of doing this let me know the outcome. I really dont feel comfortable with 10gallons sitting in front of my face. Any advise will help. thanks David Swanson _Bdazzcamro@aol.com_ (mailto:Bdazzcamro@aol.com) soon too be builder ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:59:12 EST From: Bdazzcamro@aol.com Subject: KR> Fuel Manifold..... To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <199.384bbbf0.2f3895f0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Netters, I had ordered Williams engine series videos and he talks about a fuel manifold.... does anyone know where I can buy one? I looked through Aircraft Spruce several times and didn't find it in there. Let me Know. David Swanson _Bdazzcamro@aol.com_ (mailto:Bdazzcamro@aol.com) soon to be builder ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:21:41 +1000 From: "Glasseyegav" Subject: Re: KR> stub wing length question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000901c50cfe$d1063a80$0100000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Build the tanks in the outer wing panels, I've got about 38 U.S gallons in mine and no header tank. Gavin > I am wondering if it is possible to make the spars longer to create > bigger fuel tanks and maybe shorten the out spars a bit. Maybe > talking 6" or > so on either side. If anyone has heard of anyone doing this or > thinking of > doing this let me know the outcome. I really dont feel comfortable > with 10gallons sitting in front of my face. Any advise will help. > thanks > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:48:40 +0300 From: A-D Aviation Subject: KR> KR2 To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dear members, Does anyone know where I can obtain an Owners Manual for a KR2 PC1 (Turbo- retractable) 2 litre VW engine. Tony ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:05:39 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Test To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002801c50d04$f58b3b20$9c402141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Test Colin & Beverly Rainey Apex Lending, Inc. www.eloan2004cr.com crainey@apexlending.com 407-323-6960 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:18:21 +0100 From: "Serge VIDAL" Subject: KR> Glide ratio To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:24:44 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Shortened wings To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003501c50d07$9fe563f0$9c402141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry Flesner shortened his wings slightly, I believe by not adding the wing tip extensions past the spars, but simply closed out the wing at the end. He reports his plane flies fine. I believe Roy Marsh built the KR2S that is featured as the add picture for RR and it is also a clipped wing version, but uses a different airfoil, and had very high landing speeds compared to normal KRs, and a small window between float and drop. Unless you have some very sophisticated design software that can simulate the effect of the increased wing loading, and decreased climb rate, I would leave well enough alone. There are plenty of other ways that other builders have accomplished what you want to do. FLY SAFE! Colin & Beverly Rainey Apex Lending, Inc. www.eloan2004cr.com crainey@apexlending.com 407-323-6960 ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:27:42 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Pics of W&B To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <420750AE.000012.02884@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just some pics of the W&B Process we did yesterday. Shows the plane with white wings with ailerons for the first time. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:33:40 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> stub wing length question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004601c50d08$df6254b0$1ea772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original David, it's do-able, rather easily. However, are your garage doors wide enough??? Will it be an extra wide load on the highway?? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:54 AM Subject: KR> stub wing length question > HI Netters, > > I am wondering if it is possible to make the spars longer to > create > bigger fuel tanks and maybe shorten the out spars a bit. Maybe talking 6" > > David Swanson > _Bdazzcamro@aol.com_ (mailto:Bdazzcamro@aol.com) > soon too be builder > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:37:30 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Pics of W&B To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <420752FA.000016.02884@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry, forgot the link. http://kr-builder.org/WeightAndBalance/index.html See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- Just some pics of the W&B Process we did yesterday. Shows the plane with white wings with ailerons for the first time. ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 06:47:22 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR>Knock out punch, Assembler, was Newbie Questions To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Am I the only one envisioning a flying erector set? ;) >-- >Steve Steve, after building a KR-2 it is somewhat different. I still remember Langford's face when I clecoed together an entire flap in something like 2.5 minutes:-) And Jack, I have looked for land with a large enough flat spot for a runway but in KY that is a rare find!! Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:31:13 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <013301c50d10$ea1045e0$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original 2900-3000 rpms static How that sound about right Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:39:29 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> KR2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <013801c50d12$11cdf590$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Owners Manual for a KR2 PC1 Hello Tony are you looking for a construction manual or POH. The construction manual you can get from RR engineering, and someone on the net has a copy of a POH that was made for the KR-2. There is no official POH, and anything that you get will not be guaranteed to be accurate at all. If you want a copy of my un official POH (copied and Plagiarized, still unfinished and not accurate) send me a private post and I'll send you a copy. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:47:37 +0000 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: Re: KR> Sanding wing fairing To: KRnet Message-ID: <3khj1h$hkopgq@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Brian, Here is one way. I used something like this for boat repairs only is was on a smaller scale. I'll try to put it in words. Basically its a sanding pole but tapered. You can make it out of cardboard. or, a 3" template for one end and a 12" template for the other. Install some foam, sand, then glass. When cured stick some sandpaper on it. When you sand only use short bursts and slowly work from small radius to the large. OR you will have to just eyeball the fairing. Steven Phillabaum Auburn, Alabama > > From: "Brian Kraut" > I need to sand a wing root fairing foam block with about a 3" radius for > most of the length, then go to about a 12" radius aft of the wing > (this will ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:12:38 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Shortened wings To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050207081238.008429c0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:24 AM 2/7/05 -0500, you wrote: >Larry Flesner shortened his wings slightly, I believe by not adding the wing tip extensions past the spars, but simply closed out the wing at the end. He reports his plane flies fine. >Colin Rainey ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I built the stock KR2 wing but only added a 4" tip instead of the 8" tip as the plans recommend. My KR is heavy at 760 pounds empty and my climb is only about 800 or 900 fpm with a tired 0-200. A bit longer wing would help in that area but I'm operating at rather low altitudes so I probably won't mess with changing them. For now I'm getting a good glide, a good ride, and a grin I can't hide! YEE HAAAA ! Sorry, the poet in me needed expressing. Have a good one........ Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:13:15 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> stub wing length / fuel tanks To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050207081315.00845c90@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > I am wondering if it is possible to make the spars longer to >create >bigger fuel tanks and maybe shorten the out spars a bit. Maybe talking 6" or >so on either side. >David Swanson +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I built a 12.5 gal tank in each outboard wing panel and have no tanks in the cockpit. I did so without changing the wing design of the stock KR2 wing. You must realize that going this route will change the complexity and reliability of a gravity only fuel system. I'm using an extra (small) battery for backup power to the fuel pumps in case of an electrical problem. I've only needed to use it once in flight at the 12 hour point in my testing but it saved my bacon and I wouldn't fly without it. Testing it's operation is a part of the pre-engine start checklist on every flight. If you can imagine it, you can do it........... Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:13:38 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Glide ratio To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050207081338.0080ea10@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:18 PM 2/7/05 +0100, you wrote: >Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? >Serge Vidal ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ My testing notes would indicate that my KR, 760 pounds empty, stock KR wing with 8 inches total less span, at 70 -75 mph, engine at idle, decending from 3500 feet to 3000 feet took about 54 to 56 seconds. That comes out to about 550 fpm . At 70 mph in smooth air with the engine at idle it feels like you're floating !! I was impressed for a 20 foot wing. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:15:59 -0500 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Glide ratio To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <022401c50d1f$8d523750$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> My best distance is about 2.5 NM/1000 ft at 60 kts, but my stall speed is about 50 kts and I'm not sure could flare at 60 kts. with no power. That's also my best endurance, about 2.5 minutes per 1000 ft. Data was taken at about 3000 ft on close to a standard day with a weight of 880 lbs. My plane is a KR-2 with a 3 blade (tapered) Warp Drive prop, pretty much standard but does have the Diehl wings, tricycle gear without gear fairing or pants. Your results will surely vary. Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com Sharonville, OH N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: KR> Glide ratio > Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:55:00 +0100 From: "Serge VIDAL" Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, each time I played that game with my KR2, I got more the impression to fall like a brick! Maybe the high density altitude changed the picture somehow. I should have measured. Anyway, from your figures, that would give us a glide ratio of about 1. Not bad indeed. Serge Vidal larry flesner Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-02-07 15:13 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-02-07 15:15 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Glide ratio At 12:18 PM 2/7/05 +0100, you wrote: >Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? >Serge Vidal ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ My testing notes would indicate that my KR, 760 pounds empty, stock KR wing with 8 inches total less span, at 70 -75 mph, engine at idle, decending from 3500 feet to 3000 feet took about 54 to 56 seconds. That comes out to about 550 fpm . At 70 mph in smooth air with the engine at idle it feels like you're floating !! I was impressed for a 20 foot wing. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:58:00 +0100 From: "Serge VIDAL" Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ... and this would give us a glide ratio of 15? Serge Vidal "Kenneth B. Jones" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-02-07 15:15 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-02-07 15:17 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Glide ratio My best distance is about 2.5 NM/1000 ft at 60 kts, but my stall speed is about 50 kts and I'm not sure could flare at 60 kts. with no power. That's also my best endurance, about 2.5 minutes per 1000 ft. Data was taken at about 3000 ft on close to a standard day with a weight of 880 lbs. My plane is a KR-2 with a 3 blade (tapered) Warp Drive prop, pretty much standard but does have the Diehl wings, tricycle gear without gear fairing or pants. Your results will surely vary. Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com Sharonville, OH N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: KR> Glide ratio > Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:08:53 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <42078485.000003.01700@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Disregard my question on weight. My e-mails log in in an "inverted" order and the weight questino was answered in my next e-mail. I'm still waiting for my coffee to finish boiling over. Sorry about that. Gene in Wyoming "Michael Moore is living proof to never trust anyone who is bigger around than tall!" -------Original Message------- From: Serge VIDAL Date: 02/07/05 07:55:30 To: KRnet Subject: Réf. : Re: KR> Glide ratio Well, each time I played that game with my KR2, I got more the impression to fall like a brick! Maybe the high density altitude changed the picture somehow. I should have measured. Anyway, from your figures, that would give us a glide ratio of about 1. Not bad indeed. Serge Vidal larry flesner Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-02-07 15:13 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-02-07 15:15 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Glide ratio At 12:18 PM 2/7/05 +0100, you wrote: >Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? >Serge Vidal ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ My testing notes would indicate that my KR, 760 pounds empty, stock KR wing with 8 inches total less span, at 70 -75 mph, engine at idle, decending from 3500 feet to 3000 feet took about 54 to 56 seconds. That comes out to about 550 fpm . At 70 mph in smooth air with the engine at idle it feels like you're floating !! I was impressed for a 20 foot wing. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:06:49 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <42078409.000001.01700@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How heavy is your plane? "Michael Moore is living proof to never trust anyone who is bigger around than tall!" -------Original Message------- From: Serge VIDAL Date: 02/07/05 07:55:30 To: KRnet Subject: Réf. : Re: KR> Glide ratio Well, each time I played that game with my KR2, I got more the impression to fall like a brick! Maybe the high density altitude changed the picture somehow. I should have measured. Anyway, from your figures, that would give us a glide ratio of about 1. Not bad indeed. Serge Vidal larry flesner Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-02-07 15:13 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-02-07 15:15 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Glide ratio At 12:18 PM 2/7/05 +0100, you wrote: >Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? >Serge Vidal ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ My testing notes would indicate that my KR, 760 pounds empty, stock KR wing with 8 inches total less span, at 70 -75 mph, engine at idle, decending from 3500 feet to 3000 feet took about 54 to 56 seconds. That comes out to about 550 fpm . At 70 mph in smooth air with the engine at idle it feels like you're floating !! I was impressed for a 20 foot wing. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:37:58 -0500 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Glide ratio To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <026201c50d2b$025cacf0$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> Yes, about 15:1 and Larry's works out to about 11.5:1. My plane is lighter with longer wings. Makes sense to me. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: Réf. : Re: KR> Glide ratio ... and this would give us a glide ratio of 15? Serge Vidal "Kenneth B. Jones" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-02-07 15:15 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-02-07 15:17 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Glide ratio My best distance is about 2.5 NM/1000 ft at 60 kts, but my stall speed is about 50 kts and I'm not sure could flare at 60 kts. with no power. That's also my best endurance, about 2.5 minutes per 1000 ft. Data was taken at about 3000 ft on close to a standard day with a weight of 880 lbs. My plane is a KR-2 with a 3 blade (tapered) Warp Drive prop, pretty much standard but does have the Diehl wings, tricycle gear without gear fairing or pants. Your results will surely vary. Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com Sharonville, OH N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: KR> Glide ratio > Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 55 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================