From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 57 Date: 2/7/2005 7:45:07 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: doug fir (Bubba) 2. doug fir &other wood (Don Chisholm) 3. RE: insurance / long (Jim Faughn) 4. Bathroom Scales (Dan Heath) 5. doug fir (rhartwig11@juno.com) 6. Doug Fir (ronevogt@cox.net) 7. Re: main gear position for tri gear (david mullins) 8. doug fir (Don Chisholm) 9. Re: doug fir (Matthew Elder) 10. Re: Glide ratio -> Change to Tracey Obrian Brakes... (Matthew Elder) 11. RE: Sanding wing fairing (Brian Kraut) 12. Re: main gear position for tri gear / update (Dean Cooper) 13. RE: Bathroom Scales (Brian Kraut) 14. Re: doug fir (Bubba) 15. Re: Bathroom Scales (Bubba) 16. going to Reno (larry flesner) 17. Glide ratio (Don Sprague) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:21:09 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: Re: KR> doug fir To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <016501c50d6b$b630cb40$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original patrusso wrote: > > Indeed, I have just finished building an Horizon 2 for a non > woodworking friend. The kit was all pine. Yes pine. 3/4 square stock > for the fuselage with 3/32 plywood covering on the sides and fabric > top and bottom. It is amazing what you can get away with. One must > just be imaginative, and bold and willing to do a few simple testing. There were quite a few certified planes built with pine used structurally. Just have to put the right amount in the right places. -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:35:40 -0500 (EST) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> doug fir &other wood To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050207233540.47975.qmail@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the EAA how to manual on wood discusses different wood used in aircraft construction and covers and suggests that Port Orford and white cedar, western white or Oregon pine and Doug fir are substitudes for sitka spruce. I remember reading somewhere that Port Orford cedar was used in control surfaces Mitsubishi Zero control surfaces. Good enough for a 400 mph. airplane that they knew was going to get shot at Don Chisholm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:56:03 -0600 From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: RE: KR> insurance / long To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <004001c50d70$95be44a0$a0d85540@jfaughn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have used AVEMCO since 1992. I only have liability because I don't want to pay for extra insurance. If I crash it, I can either rebuild it or give it up. Everyone knows my setup. Jim Faughn N891JF -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:15 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> insurance / long I am more interested in liability than hull. I seriously doubt that any insurance company would be willing to pay me what this plane is worth to me, and it certainly cannot be replaced. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- Hull Coverage - do you know what you have? _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:21:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Bathroom Scales To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <4208060F.000005.03732@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Someone wrote: I'm not sure that I trust these scales. Well, I have the same concerns. However, I was told by the person who lent the chapter scales to me, that the DAR was accepting the W & B taken with those scales. I think that the important thing is to have a set of scales that will give close to the same reading given the same weight. That will tell you what the balance part is, if not the weight. There is a very simple spread sheet that you can download, at: http://kr-builder.org/WeightAndBalance/index.html Click on the last item in the thumbnails and then you can save it on your hard drive. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:53:48 -0600 From: rhartwig11@juno.com Subject: KR> doug fir To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050207.185348.3376.3.rhartwig11@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >"by laminating pieces together you can make it hell bent for strong without adding any weight" Where does this info come from? You can't increase the strength of wood simply by cutting it into strips and gluing it back together. Dick H ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:23:25 -0500 From: Subject: KR> Doug Fir To: Message-ID: <20050208012326.ZIZE4519.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "You can't increase the strength of wood simply by cutting it into pieces and gluing it back together." Oh yes you can! RV ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:43:25 -0500 From: david mullins Subject: Re: KR> main gear position for tri gear To: KRnet Message-ID: <4208193D.1010400@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Dene, My main gear axle line is 4" behind the rear face of the main spar. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire Dene Collett (SA) wrote: >Hi Guys >I am busy building the main gear legs for my tri gear and was just >wondering where the other guys with tri gear configs have positioned >their wheels with regard to the rear face of the main spar. I am able >to get the centre of the wheel about 215mm from the rear face of the >spar. I would be interested if all those with tri gear configs and have >the info available would send it to me privately. I was looking at John >Shaffer's plane and it would seem that his wheels are a bit closer than >this. Is there not a standard percentage weight that the mains should >handle or is it ok as long as the wheels are behind the rear CG limit. >Thanks. >Dene Collett >KR2S-RT builder >Port Elizabeth >South Africa >mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net >P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:38:46 -0500 (EST) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> doug fir To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050208013846.70427.qmail@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think plywood makes a strong case for added strength and one piece laminated cantilever wing spar on something like a Falco might suggest the strength caracteristics of laminating wood together besides I've tried it trust me it's stronger Don Chisholm ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:22:29 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Elder Subject: Re: KR> doug fir To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050208022229.54730.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't forget, most laminates (such as plywood) are stronger as compared to a solid peice of wood the same thickness because of the different grain orientations. But indeed.. just cutting up a 2x4 and gluing it back together the same way it was cut will in fact make it stronger. At least in that one direction... The layers and glue interactions change the way the fibers handle the stresses. I'm sure there is a website all about it out there somewhere ;-) Matt --- rhartwig11@juno.com wrote: > >"by laminating pieces together you can make > it hell bent for strong without adding any weight" > > Where does this info come from? You can't increase > the strength of wood > simply by cutting it into strips and gluing it back > together. > Dick H > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ===== ------------------------------------------------- Matthew Elder Orangeburg, SC http://www.infinigral.com/melder My Airplane Project: http://kr1.infinigral.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:26:59 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Elder Subject: Re: KR> Glide ratio -> Change to Tracey Obrian Brakes... To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050208022659.10399.qmail@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I nursed a Stinson Voyager 8 miles > at night from 1700'AGL with best power variable from > 1400 - 1700 RPM as the remains of the engine beat > itself to pieces. That'll make you pucker up... On a KR note, is there anyone here that uses the Tracey Obrian brakes for the Asuza 5" wheels? I just got my set and they look AWSOME!... Just wanted to see if they worked as good as they look. Matt ===== ------------------------------------------------- Matthew Elder Orangeburg, SC http://www.infinigral.com/melder My Airplane Project: http://kr1.infinigral.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:29:12 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Sanding wing fairing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sound great. Thanks. I am thnking that two half circle plywood disks with sheet metal wrapped around them would be east to make. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Steven Phillabaum Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:48 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Sanding wing fairing Hello Brian, Here is one way. I used something like this for boat repairs only is was on a smaller scale. I'll try to put it in words. Basically its a sanding pole but tapered. You can make it out of cardboard. or, a 3" template for one end and a 12" template for the other. Install some foam, sand, then glass. When cured stick some sandpaper on it. When you sand only use short bursts and slowly work from small radius to the large. OR you will have to just eyeball the fairing. Steven Phillabaum Auburn, Alabama > > From: "Brian Kraut" > I need to sand a wing root fairing foam block with about a 3" radius for > most of the length, then go to about a 12" radius aft of the wing > (this will _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:34:37 -0500 From: "Dean Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> main gear position for tri gear / update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <027301c50d86$bc33fe70$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dene wrote: > where the other guys with tri gear configs have positioned their > wheels with > regard to the rear face of the main spar I have Diehl Gear and mine is 5.25" from the aft side of the spar to the center of the axle. Netters, I'm glassing in my canopy this week. I got the gas struts installed (thanks Mark L for the source) and they work like a charm. Also, I peeled the 20 year old protective film off of the canopy and it came off without any trouble. Boy, having a canopy on the plane that you can see out of really encourages those airplane noises!!! Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:39:46 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Bathroom Scales To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The thing to do with your scales to be sure that they are accurate is to calibate them at somewhere near the weight you will have on them. I put some cinder blocks and me on our accurate digital scale at work then I put the same on my scales and adjusted them to read the same as the known good scale. That is much more accurate than just adjusting the scales to read zero then expecting them to be accurate at 250 pounds. This assumes that you have access to an accurate scale for your calibration. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 7:22 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Bathroom Scales Someone wrote: I'm not sure that I trust these scales. Well, I have the same concerns. However, I was told by the person who lent the chapter scales to me, that the DAR was accepting the W & B taken with those scales. I think that the important thing is to have a set of scales that will give close to the same reading given the same weight. That will tell you what the balance part is, if not the weight. There is a very simple spread sheet that you can download, at: http://kr-builder.org/WeightAndBalance/index.html Click on the last item in the thumbnails and then you can save it on your hard drive. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:04:15 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: Re: KR> doug fir To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01eb01c50d8a$e0d1f030$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original rhartwig11@juno.com wrote: > > Where does this info come from? You can't increase the strength of > wood simply by cutting it into strips and gluing it back together. Sure you can, especially if the part needs to be bent. Just flip every other strip so the grain directions cancel out. It's just a huge pain in the backside getting everything cut, planed, and fitted right. -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:07:52 -0600 From: "Bubba" Subject: Re: KR> Bathroom Scales To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <025a01c50d8b$620f1ce0$0200a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Brian Kraut wrote: > > This assumes that you have access to an accurate scale for your > calibration. Use the one at the post office. It would be best if there were no witnesses ;) -- Steve N205FT mysticz28@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:30:35 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> going to Reno To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050207213035.008423f0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I'm going to Reno and have to demonstrate a 5g pullup. I'm putting an >engine >with twice the power the plans call for in the thing and it's going to be >way, way faster than originally intended. But then I'm also putting less >seats in it than designed, so I'd most likely be fine without the extra >strength. >Steve +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Have you gone to Mark Langford's site and checked out the KR100 ? It raced at Reno several years. To find the current owner, go to the FAA site and do a search for KR100. I think the N number may have been 100KR. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:49:21 -0600 From: "Don Sprague" Subject: KR> Glide ratio To: Message-ID: <001001c50d91$2d49afb0$4f02a8c0@don> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I can't give you the numbers because my adrenaline was running kinda high at the time, but my engine died at 1800 ft above the airport on my first three flights (fuel vent problem). I got about 3/4 around the pattern each time, lining up with the runway and the problem was slowing it down and crabbing like hell to lose the extra altitude when I had the runway made. All in all, I was pleased with the glide ratio. Don KR2, N118DS Houston, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 55 > Send KRnet mailing list submissions to > krnet@mylist.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with > subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Assembler, was Newbie Questions (Doug Rupert) > 2. RE: VE resin fuel Tanks (Doug Rupert) > 3. R?f. : KR> Newbie Questions (Serge VIDAL) > 4. stub wing length question (Bdazzcamro@aol.com) > 5. Fuel Manifold..... (Bdazzcamro@aol.com) > 6. Re: stub wing length question (Glasseyegav) > 7. KR2 (A-D Aviation) > 8. Test (Colin & Bev Rainey) > 9. Glide ratio (Serge VIDAL) > 10. Shortened wings (Colin & Bev Rainey) > 11. Pics of W&B (Dan Heath) > 12. Re: stub wing length question (patrusso) > 13. Re: Pics of W&B (Dan Heath) > 14. Re: Knock out punch, Assembler, was Newbie Questions > (Dana Overall) > 15. Re: Update (Orma) > 16. Re: KR2 (Orma) > 17. Re: Sanding wing fairing (Steven Phillabaum) > 18. Shortened wings (larry flesner) > 19. stub wing length / fuel tanks (larry flesner) > 20. Re: Glide ratio (larry flesner) > 21. Re: Glide ratio (Kenneth B. Jones) > 22. R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio (Serge VIDAL) > 23. R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio (Serge VIDAL) > 24. Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio (gleone) > 25. Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio (gleone) > 26. Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Glide ratio (Kenneth B. Jones) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:07:47 -0500 > From: "Doug Rupert" > Subject: RE: KR> Assembler, was Newbie Questions > To: , "'KRnet'" > Message-ID: <001401c50cd3$0af5a270$0104e440@office> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > > > Jack: Floats and land on the pond. As soon as the floats touch water, throw > the anchor out the canopy, then pray the rope holds. Sorry couldn't > help myself. Doug Rupert > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:07:47 -0500 > From: "Doug Rupert" > Subject: RE: KR> VE resin fuel Tanks > To: "'KRnet'" > Message-ID: <001501c50cd3$0c6f2310$0104e440@office> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > > > I was reading up on VE as that is what I'm using for my tanks and the resin > supplier was quick to point out that all composite fuel tanks should > be coated on the inside with Gelcoat, the same as the marine industry > has been > doing for years. Gives a smooth surface that contaminants can't stick > to as > well as being totally fuel proof and improving resistance to vibration > cracking. Doug Rupert > Simcoe Ontario > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:24:08 +0100 > From: "Serge VIDAL" > Subject: R?f. : KR> Newbie Questions > To: KRnet > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, Kirk. > > I have successfuly operated a stock KR2 at very high density altitude > (Johannesburg, South Africa: 5300' altitude, up to 35°Celsius > (95°Farenheit)). The main limitation in that case becomes runway > length. My advice to anybody planning to operate from such an altitude > would be: > > 1) Build a 2S, to get better balance; > 2) Extend the wings slightly, to decrease wing loading > 3) Get yourself a climb prop (sacrifice a little bit of cruise speed, > if need be. > > Regards, > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > > > > > > "KM Urban" > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net > 2005-02-06 01:58 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-02-06 01:59 > > > Pour : > cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : KR> Newbie Questions > > > > Dear List, > I am new to the list and I have been poking around the KR Net and have > found answers to alot of questions so I will try to keep this > short.Just as a point of interest, I grew up in So Cal and I used to > ride my bike (as a kid) over to Meadowlark and I would stop by the KR > factory once in awhile.I got to meet Ken when he was alive and he > always had a minute for me. When I tried to buy the plans with paper > route money, he told me to come by with my parents and he would sell > plans with their blessing. Well that was the end of that! Here I am > years down the road, and I still like the KR planes. My questions are: > How does the plane do at high density altitudes? I live in the Salt > Lake area, and it gets pretty hot in the summer. Has any one found > this to be a problem? Is it realistic to use the 2S as a traveling > machine for two people. What about a Jabaru engine? Has it been tried? > Last but not least, some know it all at Oshcosh last year was > explaining to me all the "Inherent Problems" with the KR and he said > the airframe will not last long due to cracks between the wood and > composite material in the airframe. Sounded hoaky, but I am wondering > what is the highest time airframe anyone has seen? Thanks Kirk > kmurban@sprintmail.com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:54:57 EST > From: Bdazzcamro@aol.com > Subject: KR> stub wing length question > To: krnet@mylist.net > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > HI Netters, > > I am wondering if it is possible to make the spars longer to create > bigger fuel tanks and maybe shorten the out spars a bit. Maybe > talking 6" or > so on either side. If anyone has heard of anyone doing this or > thinking of > doing this let me know the outcome. I really dont feel comfortable > with 10gallons sitting in front of my face. Any advise will help. > thanks > > David Swanson > _Bdazzcamro@aol.com_ (mailto:Bdazzcamro@aol.com) > soon too be builder > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:59:12 EST > From: Bdazzcamro@aol.com > Subject: KR> Fuel Manifold..... > To: krnet@mylist.net > Message-ID: <199.384bbbf0.2f3895f0@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Netters, > > I had ordered Williams engine series videos and he talks about a > fuel manifold.... does anyone know where I can buy one? I looked > through Aircraft > Spruce several times and didn't find it in there. Let me Know. > > > David Swanson > _Bdazzcamro@aol.com_ (mailto:Bdazzcamro@aol.com) > soon to be builder > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:21:41 +1000 > From: "Glasseyegav" > Subject: Re: KR> stub wing length question > To: "KRnet" > Message-ID: <000901c50cfe$d1063a80$0100000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Build the tanks in the outer wing panels, I've got about 38 U.S > gallons in mine and no header tank. > > Gavin > > > > > > I am wondering if it is possible to make the spars longer > > to > create > > bigger fuel tanks and maybe shorten the out spars a bit. Maybe > > talking 6" > or > > so on either side. If anyone has heard of anyone doing this or > > thinking > of > > doing this let me know the outcome. I really dont feel comfortable > > with 10gallons sitting in front of my face. Any advise will help. > > thanks > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:48:40 +0300 > From: A-D Aviation > Subject: KR> KR2 > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Dear members, > > Does anyone know where I can obtain an Owners Manual for a KR2 PC1 > (Turbo- > retractable) 2 litre VW engine. > Tony > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:05:39 -0500 > From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" > Subject: KR> Test > To: "KRnet" > Message-ID: <002801c50d04$f58b3b20$9c402141@RaineyDay> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Test > > Colin & Beverly Rainey > Apex Lending, Inc. > www.eloan2004cr.com > crainey@apexlending.com > 407-323-6960 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:18:21 +0100 > From: "Serge VIDAL" > Subject: KR> Glide ratio > To: krnet@mylist.net > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:24:44 -0500 > From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" > Subject: KR> Shortened wings > To: "KRnet" > Message-ID: <003501c50d07$9fe563f0$9c402141@RaineyDay> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Larry Flesner shortened his wings slightly, I believe by not adding > the wing tip extensions past the spars, but simply closed out the wing at the end. He reports his plane flies fine. I believe Roy Marsh built the KR2S that is featured as the add picture for RR and it is also a clipped wing version, but uses a different airfoil, and had very high landing speeds compared to normal KRs, and a small window between float and drop. Unless you have some very sophisticated design software that can simulate the effect of the increased wing loading, and decreased climb rate, I would leave well enough alone. There are plenty of other ways that other builders have accomplished what you want to do. > > FLY SAFE! > > Colin & Beverly Rainey > Apex Lending, Inc. > www.eloan2004cr.com > crainey@apexlending.com > 407-323-6960 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:27:42 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) > From: "Dan Heath" > Subject: KR> Pics of W&B > To: "krnet@mylist.net" > Message-ID: <420750AE.000012.02884@DANHOMECOMPUTER> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Just some pics of the W&B Process we did yesterday. Shows the plane > with white wings with ailerons for the first time. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a > time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:33:40 -0500 > From: "patrusso" > Subject: Re: KR> stub wing length question > To: "KRnet" > Message-ID: <004601c50d08$df6254b0$1ea772d8@patrusso> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > David, it's do-able, rather easily. However, are your garage doors > wide enough??? Will it be an extra wide load on the highway?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:54 AM > Subject: KR> stub wing length question > > > > HI Netters, > > > > I am wondering if it is possible to make the spars longer to > > create bigger fuel tanks and maybe shorten the out spars a bit. > > Maybe talking 6" > > > > David Swanson > > _Bdazzcamro@aol.com_ (mailto:Bdazzcamro@aol.com) > > soon too be builder > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:37:30 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) > From: "Dan Heath" > Subject: Re: KR> Pics of W&B > To: "krnet@mylist.net" > Message-ID: <420752FA.000016.02884@DANHOMECOMPUTER> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sorry, forgot the link. > > http://kr-builder.org/WeightAndBalance/index.html > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a > time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > -------Original Message------- > Just some pics of the W&B Process we did yesterday. Shows the plane > with white wings with ailerons for the first time. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 06:47:22 -0500 > From: "Dana Overall" > Subject: Re: KR>Knock out punch, Assembler, was Newbie Questions > To: krnet@mylist.net > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > >Am I the only one envisioning a flying erector set? ;) > >-- > >Steve > > > Steve, after building a KR-2 it is somewhat different. I still > remember Langford's face when I clecoed together an entire flap in > something like 2.5 > minutes:-) > > And Jack, I have looked for land with a large enough flat spot for a runway > but in KY that is a rare find!! > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg > do not archive > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:31:13 -0500 > From: "Orma" > Subject: Re: KR> Update > To: "KRnet" > Message-ID: <013301c50d10$ea1045e0$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > 2900-3000 rpms static > > How that sound about right > Orma > Southfield, MI > N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year > Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust > http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:39:29 -0500 > From: "Orma" > Subject: Re: KR> KR2 > To: "KRnet" > Message-ID: <013801c50d12$11cdf590$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Owners Manual for a KR2 PC1 > > Hello Tony > are you looking for a construction manual or POH. The construction > manual you can get from RR engineering, and someone on the net has a > copy of a POH > that was made for the KR-2. There is no official POH, and anything > that you > get will not be guaranteed to be accurate at all. If you want a copy > of my > un official POH (copied and Plagiarized, still unfinished and not accurate) > send me a private post and I'll send you a copy. > > Orma > Southfield, MI > N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year > Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust > http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:47:37 +0000 > From: Steven Phillabaum > Subject: Re: KR> Sanding wing fairing > To: KRnet > Message-ID: <3khj1h$hkopgq@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello Brian, > Here is one way. I used something like this for boat repairs only is > was on a smaller scale. I'll try to put it in words. > Basically its a sanding pole but tapered. You can make it out of cardboard. or, a 3" template for one end and a 12" template for the other. Install some foam, sand, then glass. When cured stick some sandpaper on it. When you sand only use short bursts and slowly work from small radius to the large. OR you will have to just eyeball the fairing. > > Steven Phillabaum > Auburn, Alabama > > > > From: "Brian Kraut" > > I need to sand a wing root fairing foam block with about a 3" radius > for > > most of the length, then go to about a 12" radius aft of the wing > > (this will > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:12:38 -0600 > From: larry flesner > Subject: KR> Shortened wings > To: KRnet > Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050207081238.008429c0@pop.midwest.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > At 06:24 AM 2/7/05 -0500, you wrote: > >Larry Flesner shortened his wings slightly, I believe by not adding > >the > wing tip extensions past the spars, but simply closed out the wing at > the end. He reports his plane flies fine. > >Colin Rainey > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I built the stock KR2 wing but only added a 4" tip instead of the 8" > tip as the plans recommend. My KR is heavy at 760 pounds empty and > my climb is only about 800 or 900 fpm with a tired 0-200. A bit longer > wing would help in that area but I'm operating at rather low altitudes > so I probably won't mess with changing them. For now I'm getting a > good glide, a good ride, and a grin I can't hide! YEE HAAAA ! > > Sorry, the poet in me needed expressing. > > Have a good one........ > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:13:15 -0600 > From: larry flesner > Subject: KR> stub wing length / fuel tanks > To: KRnet > Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050207081315.00845c90@pop.midwest.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > I am wondering if it is possible to make the spars longer to create > >bigger fuel tanks and maybe shorten the out spars a bit. Maybe > >talking 6" > or > >so on either side. > >David Swanson > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I built a 12.5 gal tank in each outboard wing panel and have no tanks > in the cockpit. I did so without changing the wing design of the > stock KR2 wing. You must realize that going this route will change > the complexity and reliability of a gravity only fuel system. I'm > using an extra (small) battery for backup power to the fuel pumps in > case of an electrical problem. I've only needed to use it once in > flight at the 12 hour point in my testing but it saved my bacon and I > wouldn't fly without it. Testing it's operation is a part of the > pre-engine start checklist on every flight. > > If you can imagine it, you can do it........... > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:13:38 -0600 > From: larry flesner > Subject: Re: KR> Glide ratio > To: KRnet > Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050207081338.0080ea10@pop.midwest.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > At 12:18 PM 2/7/05 +0100, you wrote: > >Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? Serge Vidal > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > My testing notes would indicate that my KR, 760 pounds empty, stock KR > wing with 8 inches total less span, at 70 -75 mph, engine at idle, > decending from 3500 feet to 3000 feet took about 54 to 56 seconds. > That comes out to about 550 fpm . At 70 mph in smooth air with the > engine at idle it feels like you're floating !! > > I was impressed for a 20 foot wing. > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:15:59 -0500 > From: "Kenneth B. Jones" > Subject: Re: KR> Glide ratio > To: "KRnet" > Message-ID: <022401c50d1f$8d523750$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> > > My best distance is about 2.5 NM/1000 ft at 60 kts, but my stall speed > is about 50 kts and I'm not sure could flare at 60 kts. with no > power. That's also my best endurance, about 2.5 minutes per 1000 ft. > Data was taken at about 3000 ft on close to a standard day with a > weight of 880 lbs. > My plane is a KR-2 with a 3 blade (tapered) Warp Drive prop, pretty > much standard but does have the Diehl wings, tricycle gear without > gear fairing or pants. > > Your results will surely vary. > > Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com > Sharonville, OH > N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Serge VIDAL" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:18 AM > Subject: KR> Glide ratio > > > > Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? > > > > Serge Vidal > > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > > Paris, France > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:55:00 +0100 > From: "Serge VIDAL" > Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio > To: KRnet > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Well, each time I played that game with my KR2, I got more the > impression to fall like a brick! Maybe the high density altitude > changed the picture somehow. I should have measured. > > Anyway, from your figures, that would give us a glide ratio of about > 1. Not bad indeed. > > Serge Vidal > > > > > > > larry flesner > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net > 2005-02-07 15:13 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-02-07 15:15 > > > Pour : KRnet > cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : Re: KR> Glide ratio > > > > At 12:18 PM 2/7/05 +0100, you wrote: > >Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? Serge Vidal > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > My testing notes would indicate that my KR, 760 pounds empty, stock KR > wing with 8 inches total less span, at 70 -75 mph, engine at idle, > decending from 3500 feet to 3000 feet took about 54 to 56 seconds. > That comes out to about 550 fpm . At 70 mph in smooth air with the > engine at idle it feels like you're floating !! > > I was impressed for a 20 foot wing. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:58:00 +0100 > From: "Serge VIDAL" > Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio > To: KRnet > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > ... and this would give us a glide ratio of 15? > > Serge Vidal > > > > > > "Kenneth B. Jones" > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net > 2005-02-07 15:15 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-02-07 15:17 > > > Pour : "KRnet" > cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : Re: KR> Glide ratio > > > > My best distance is about 2.5 NM/1000 ft at 60 kts, but my stall speed > is about 50 kts and I'm not sure could flare at 60 kts. with no > power. That's also my best endurance, about 2.5 minutes per 1000 ft. > Data was taken at about 3000 ft on close to a standard day with a > weight of 880 lbs. My plane is a KR-2 with a 3 blade (tapered) Warp > Drive prop, pretty much standard but does have the Diehl wings, > tricycle gear without gear fairing > > or pants. > > Your results will surely vary. > > Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com > Sharonville, OH > N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Serge VIDAL" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:18 AM > Subject: KR> Glide ratio > > > > Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? > > > > Serge Vidal > > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > > Paris, France > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:08:53 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) > From: "gleone" > Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio > To: "KRnet" > Message-ID: <42078485.000003.01700@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Disregard my question on weight. My e-mails log in in an "inverted" > order and the weight questino was answered in my next e-mail. I'm > still waiting for my coffee to finish boiling over. Sorry about that. > Gene in Wyoming > > "Michael Moore is living proof to never trust anyone who is bigger > around than tall!" -------Original Message------- > > From: Serge VIDAL > Date: 02/07/05 07:55:30 > To: KRnet > Subject: Réf. : Re: KR> Glide ratio > > Well, each time I played that game with my KR2, I got more the > impression to fall like a brick! Maybe the high density altitude > changed the picture somehow. I should have measured. > > Anyway, from your figures, that would give us a glide ratio of about > 1. Not bad indeed. > > Serge Vidal > > > > > > > larry flesner > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net > 2005-02-07 15:13 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-02-07 15:15 > > > Pour : KRnet > cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : Re: KR> Glide ratio > > > > At 12:18 PM 2/7/05 +0100, you wrote: > >Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? Serge Vidal > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > My testing notes would indicate that my KR, 760 pounds empty, stock KR > wing with 8 inches total less span, at 70 -75 mph, engine at idle, > decending from 3500 feet to 3000 feet took about 54 to 56 seconds. > That comes out to about 550 fpm . At 70 mph in smooth air with the > engine at idle it feels like you're floating !! > > I was impressed for a 20 foot wing. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:06:49 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) > From: "gleone" > Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Glide ratio > To: "KRnet" > Message-ID: <42078409.000001.01700@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > How heavy is your plane? > > "Michael Moore is living proof to never trust anyone who is bigger > around than tall!" -------Original Message------- > > From: Serge VIDAL > Date: 02/07/05 07:55:30 > To: KRnet > Subject: Réf. : Re: KR> Glide ratio > > Well, each time I played that game with my KR2, I got more the > impression to fall like a brick! Maybe the high density altitude > changed the picture somehow. I should have measured. > > Anyway, from your figures, that would give us a glide ratio of about > 1. Not bad indeed. > > Serge Vidal > > > > > > > larry flesner > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net > 2005-02-07 15:13 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-02-07 15:15 > > > Pour : KRnet > cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : Re: KR> Glide ratio > > > > At 12:18 PM 2/7/05 +0100, you wrote: > >Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? Serge Vidal > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > My testing notes would indicate that my KR, 760 pounds empty, stock KR > wing with 8 inches total less span, at 70 -75 mph, engine at idle, > decending from 3500 feet to 3000 feet took about 54 to 56 seconds. > That comes out to about 550 fpm . At 70 mph in smooth air with the > engine at idle it feels like you're floating !! > > I was impressed for a 20 foot wing. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 26 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:37:58 -0500 > From: "Kenneth B. Jones" > Subject: Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Glide ratio > To: "KRnet" > Message-ID: <026201c50d2b$025cacf0$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> > > Yes, about 15:1 and Larry's works out to about 11.5:1. My plane is lighter > with longer wings. Makes sense to me. > > Ken > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Serge VIDAL" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:58 AM > Subject: Réf. : Re: KR> Glide ratio > > > ... and this would give us a glide ratio of 15? > > Serge Vidal > > > > > > "Kenneth B. Jones" > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net > 2005-02-07 15:15 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-02-07 15:17 > > > Pour : "KRnet" > cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : Re: KR> Glide ratio > > > > My best distance is about 2.5 NM/1000 ft at 60 kts, but my stall speed > is about 50 kts and I'm not sure could flare at 60 kts. with no > power. That's also my best endurance, about 2.5 minutes per 1000 ft. > Data was taken at about 3000 ft on close to a standard day with a > weight of 880 lbs. My plane is a KR-2 with a 3 blade (tapered) Warp > Drive prop, pretty much standard but does have the Diehl wings, > tricycle gear without gear fairing > > or pants. > > Your results will surely vary. > > Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com > Sharonville, OH > N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Serge VIDAL" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:18 AM > Subject: KR> Glide ratio > > > > Would anybody know what the KR2's glide ratio would be? > > > > Serge Vidal > > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > > Paris, France > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 55 > ************************************** ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 57 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================