From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 64 Date: 2/9/2005 8:58:54 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Call me crazy (Matthew Elder) 2. Re: Non-zero spar loads was Question on bent spars (Mark Langford) 3. teeny weeny project update (Mark Langford) 4. Bent Spar and AS504x Airfoil (VP2Flyer@cfl.rr.com) 5. Re: teeny weeny project update (robert glidden) 6. RE: teeny weeny project update (Brian Kraut) 7. Rustoleum (robert glidden) 8. Throttle Cables (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 9. Re: Rustoleum (Mark Jones) 10. Re: Rustoleum (Mark Jones) 11. Re: Rustoleum (robert glidden) 12. RE: Rustoleum (Brian Kraut) 13. Re: Throttle Cables (Mark Jones) 14. buying a KR project (Oscar Zuniga) 15. Re: Re: props (Randy Smith ) 16. Re: Throttle Cables (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 17. Re: Throttle Cables (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:55:08 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Elder Subject: Re: KR> Call me crazy To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050210035509.34768.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Kevlar would probably be a better choice, but > figuring out how thick to make > it is way, way beyond what I can do. I suppose I'd > laminate x layers of > kevlar, wrapped completely in 2-3 layers of glass > (to give something to > sand), and bagged over a form. Or maybe filament > wound would be better. > Takes forever to wind about a mile of kevlar tow > around a couple of pins, > but you know the fibers are straight. Actually, I wouldn't say that's a very good idea at all. Kevlar is not so good in compression and fails easily under buckling loads (comparatively speaking of course, the compressive strength is only about 40% of that of your 'glass, e-glass more specifically). In a cantilevered beam situation like a landing gear leg, since one side is always in compression (under load), you would have to make it abnormally thick sectioned on that side to support the stresses induced. Kevlar has it's places; high tensile loading members and parts that need vibration dampening, such as a cowling... for example... But not so much in a load supporting beam such as a landing gear leg. Matt ===== ------------------------------------------------- Matthew Elder Orangeburg, SC http://www.infinigral.com/melder My Airplane Project: http://kr1.infinigral.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:54:58 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Non-zero spar loads was Question on bent spars To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004801c50f24$4a726f20$2802a8c0@2600xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "Bubba" wrote: > Guess I didn't mention I'm mounting the seat supports to the floor and sides > of the fuselage ;) Half the cockpit (seat, armrests, headrest) is this foam > thing. I'll put some pics somewhere when the plans show up and I've > had time > to build more than a mockup. I believe it would be wise to put the seats on the spars, if at all possible. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:55:42 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> teeny weeny project update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004901c50f24$646e59c0$2802a8c0@2600xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry to interupt all the very informative lamination and parachute threads, but a few of you might be interested in http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/#update . What we need is a few good Rustoleum posts... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:59:17 -0500 From: VP2Flyer@cfl.rr.com Subject: KR> Bent Spar and AS504x Airfoil To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1993aef1990404.19904041993aef@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have posted the full text of my question at http://www.wingsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=169 Mainly, I do not understand how the spar is bent and what effect doing this will have on using the new airfoil rib templates. Thanks, Sean C. http://www.wingsforum.com/aircraft/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:54:31 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: Re: KR> teeny weeny project update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02a601c50f24$3a6ba6a0$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Mark I was starting to wonder if we was going to get back to building ideas or not.That looks pretty interesting and should work great for plenty of heat. > Sorry to interupt all the very informative lamination and parachute threads, > but a few of you might be interested in > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/#update . > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:10:12 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> teeny weeny project update To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Looks good. There is something unusual in the picture. Looking at the arm on the tube you seem to have the air valve mounted right to the shroud around the exhaust pipe. Is that for the cabin heat or carb heat? Seems like it would wear out a lot faster there than on the other end of the tube where it does not get quite as hot. Or were you just using that tube for your Cheerios mockup for now? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:56 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> teeny weeny project update Sorry to interupt all the very informative lamination and parachute threads, but a few of you might be interested in http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/#update . What we need is a few good Rustoleum posts... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:02:35 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: KR> Rustoleum To: "Krnet" Message-ID: <02be01c50f25$5a6b1160$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can we use Rustolium to seal the inside of our fuselage or will it dry out the wood ??? you ask Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:12:07 -0800 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: KR> Throttle Cables To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <011e01c50f26$b02fe570$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mark L, I was wondering about the cables you used on your Ellison TBI carb for throttle, mixture & carb heat? In looking at the control cables in AS&S they have many different lengths and also the choice of straight cable or 10-32 threaded ends. What worked out to be the best solution for your application as far as length and the type of ends? I guess Mark J could also respond to this as he used the same carb. Thanks, Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA email: c.midkiff@verizon.net my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: KR> teeny weeny project update >snip< ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:16:53 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Rustoleum To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00bf01c50f27$609a6700$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rustoleum?????????????? That's what I am painting my Jeep with..... Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert glidden" To: "Krnet" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: KR> Rustoleum > Can we use Rustolium to seal the inside of our fuselage or will it dry out the wood ??? you ask > > > Bob Glidden > Eminence,Indiana > KR2S N181FW > Corvair 110 > glidden@ccrtc.com > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:18:55 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Rustoleum To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00d001c50f27$a8997e60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" One little spot at a time that is...... Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: Re: KR> Rustoleum > Rustoleum?????????????? That's what I am painting my Jeep with..... > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert glidden" > To: "Krnet" > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:02 PM > Subject: KR> Rustoleum > > > > Can we use Rustolium to seal the inside of our fuselage or will it dry out > the wood ??? you ask > > > > > > Bob Glidden > > Eminence,Indiana > > KR2S N181FW > > Corvair 110 > > glidden@ccrtc.com > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:14:07 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: Re: KR> Rustoleum To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02e701c50f26$f7576180$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Rustoleum?????????????? That's what I am painting my Jeep with..... SORRY meant to send that to Mark L. not the list.OOOOOOOOOOOP'S > > > Bob Glidden > > > Eminence,Indiana > > > KR2S N181FW > > > Corvair 110 > > > glidden@ccrtc.com > > > _______________________________________ > > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:27:37 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Rustoleum To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" But you are giving the rattle can paint forum at the gathering this year, aren't you? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of robert glidden Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:14 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Rustoleum > > Rustoleum?????????????? That's what I am painting my Jeep with..... SORRY meant to send that to Mark L. not the list.OOOOOOOOOOOP'S > > > Bob Glidden > > > Eminence,Indiana > > > KR2S N181FW > > > Corvair 110 > > > glidden@ccrtc.com > > > _______________________________________ > > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:31:56 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Throttle Cables To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ee01c50f29$7bbd3380$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" > I was wondering about the cables you used on your Ellison TBI carb for > throttle, mixture & carb heat? > Bud, For the throttle, I am using an A820-black friction lock with straight wire cable end. The cable end is attached to the carb arm using a WG-1 wire grip. The mixture control is a Vernier A790-red also using the WG-1 wire grip. The Carb heat control is a push pull A730-black and connects to the valve arm with a CE2 cable end nut. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:33:11 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> buying a KR project To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed For the benefit of some of the newer members of this list, and due to questions that were raised by new members regarding what to look for when purchasing an already-started project, be aware that there is a good resource on the KRNet website in the form of an article written by Jeff Scott, here: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kronline9.html "Shopping for the Partially Built KR". Jeff completed his KR and flies it regularly in the mountains of New Mexico. He's a Tech Counselor and should soon be an A&P, and has excellent knowledge of homebuilt construction in all areas (engine, airframe, and systems). His article is worth reading for anyone considering purchase of a KR project (most are advertised for sale in the "boat" stage). Now back to sniffing my Rust-O-Leum ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:36:18 -0600 From: "Randy Smith " Subject: Re: KR> Re: props To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00e901c50f2a$1068e4c0$74c4b944@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yes ----- Original Message ----- From: "VIRGIL N SALISBURY" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: Re: KR> Re: props > Are you saying that some props SMELL, Virg > > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:02:57 -0600 "Randy Smith " > writes: >> Props are measured by inches. A 54-50 means in perfect fluid >> conditions >> that prop will go 50 inches in 1 revolution. Some prop manufactures >> use >> degrees so that you can set the prop on site. If you talk to Edd he >> will >> explain it. The reason different props perfume differently in the >> air is >> there design. This includes boat prop. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brian Kraut" >> To: "KRnet" >> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:33 PM >> Subject: RE: KR> Re: props >> >> >> > Different brands of props measure their pitch a little >> differently. I had >> > a >> > Props, Inc. 52-50 that would only turn 3,200 on a 2180. I >> switched to a >> > Sterba 54-52 if I remember correctly and I picked up about 150 >> RPM, 5 MPH, >> > and at least 100 FPM climb. I highly recommend that you call Ed >> Sterba. >> > He >> > is a master and he knows KRs very well. >> > >> > Anyway, if you uped the pitch of your current prop you would lower >> the RPM >> > and probably loose a little speed and a lot of climb. The VW will >> produce >> > more power in the 3,400 to 3,500 RPM range. I wouldn't increase >> pitch >> > while >> > only turning 3,300. >> > >> > Brian Kraut >> > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. >> > www.engalt.com >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net >> [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On >> > Behalf Of robert clark >> > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:31 PM >> > To: krnet@mylist.net >> > Subject: KR> Re: props >> > >> > >> > Looking for some input on props. What are you guys running. Iam >> currently >> > running 52X50 on my 2180 V.W. I can turn it to 3300 and am >> getting 150 >> > M.P.H. Just wondering if it would pay me to move up a couple in >> pitch. >> > All take care >> > Bob Clark >> > Florida >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. >> > _______________________________________ >> > Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to >> KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________ >> > Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to >> KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> > > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL > www.lubedealer.com/salisbury > Miami ,Fl > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:49:06 -0800 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: Re: KR> Throttle Cables To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <016001c50f2b$daeaabb0$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thanks Mark, I suppose with that type cable, you could buy the longer cables and cut them to the length you need. Bud From: "Mark Jones" > Bud, > For the throttle, I am using an A820-black friction lock with straight > wire > cable end. The cable end is attached to the carb arm using a WG-1 wire > grip. > The mixture control is a Vernier A790-red also using the WG-1 wire grip. > The > Carb heat control is a push pull A730-black and connects to the valve arm > with a CE2 cable end nut. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:54:15 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Throttle Cables To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <013501c50f2c$971c0220$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Exactly, they come in different lengths so buy them about one foot longer than you need and cut them to fit. Very easy installation. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:49 PM Subject: Re: KR> Throttle Cables > Thanks Mark, I suppose with that type cable, you could buy the longer cables > and cut them to the length you need. > Bud > > From: "Mark Jones" > > Bud, > > For the throttle, I am using an A820-black friction lock with straight > > wire > > cable end. The cable end is attached to the carb arm using a WG-1 wire > > grip. > > The mixture control is a Vernier A790-red also using the WG-1 wire grip. > > The > > Carb heat control is a push pull A730-black and connects to the valve arm > > with a CE2 cable end nut. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 64 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================