From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 76 Date: 2/19/2005 9:00:14 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Dispute Resolution??? - Why I need this to be covered in the contract " agreement " (JAMES C FERRIS) 2. RE: Agreement for Co-Ownership - Dispute Resolution??? (Brian Kraut) 3. Re: From another list (thepittses@juno.com) 4. Re: From another list (robert glidden) 5. RE: From another list (Ron Freiberger) 6. Fuel Pump Tests (Dan Heath) 7. Re: Fuel Pump Tests (Orma) 8. Facets (Martindale Family) 9. RE: Fuel Pump Tests (Stephen Jacobs) 10. Re: Dispute Resolution??? - Why I need this to be covered in the contract " agreement " (larry severson) 11. Project visit (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 12. Re: Dispute Resolution??? - Why I need this to be covered in the contract " agreement " (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 13. Re: CorvAircraft> Fw: KR> Fuel Pump Tests (Mark Jones) 14. Re: Agreement for Co-Ownership - Dispute Resolution??? (Ray Fuenzalida) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:45:20 -0500 From: JAMES C FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> Dispute Resolution??? - Why I need this to be covered in the contract " agreement " To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050219.074521.944.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Your right! I was very luckie none of these came up. Jim ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:05:39 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Agreement for Co-Ownership - Dispute Resolution??? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a few agreements I dredged up from somewhere on the internet that I was going to use for a 172 partnership that I will send you offline. If anyone else wants a copy let me know at brian@engalt.com. I also suggest calling AOPA (you are a member, aren't you) and having them send you information. They have a booklet they put together that is very good. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:03 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Agreement for Co-Ownership - Dispute Resolution??? I have had a paralegal look at our agreement for Co-Ownership and she discussed it with an attorney. The main problem they saw with it, is that there is no provision for dispute resolution. Since there are only 2 of us, majority vote won't work. Any ideas? I intend to share this document with the group when it is complete. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:09:47 GMT From: "thepittses@juno.com" Subject: Re: KR> From another list To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050219.071014.54.95923@webmail04.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Bob were you trying to talk again?? Stick to your crawling out from rocks. Eric Pitts KR2S ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:21:20 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: Re: KR> From another list To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001e01c51696$aaae9200$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ouch!!!! that hurt.I'm going to Casey today,if you want to go let me know in the next few minutes,I have to leave for basketball and I'm planning on going from there..have your wife read this to you and explain what it says..... > > Bob were you trying to talk again?? Stick to your crawling out from > rocks. > > > Eric Pitts KR2S > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:52:10 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> From another list To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000601c5169a$fc8386e0$8f722241@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You kids need to go to a different playground. No need to involve hundreds of people in your "fun"/ Ron Freiberger mail to rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com <- substitute an @ sign ;o) -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of robert glidden Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:21 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> From another list ouch!!!! that hurt.I'm going to Casey today,if you want to go let me know in the next few minutes,I have to leave for basketball and I'm planning on going from there..have your wife read this to you and explain what it says..... ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:01:50 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Fuel Pump Tests To: "krnet@mylist.net" Cc: Jerry Message-ID: <421770FE.000003.03620@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The winner is............. Those who said BATTERY Yes indeed, that was the problem. So I conducted some tests. There were 4 objectives: 1. Do the pumps work. These are Facet 40105N 2. Are they self siphoning 3. Will fuel flow through a pump that is not operating 4. Does the pump act as a check valve You can see the results at: http://kr-builder.org/FirewallForward/FuelSystem/FuelPumpTests/index.html Reading the "Read This First" will give you a better understanding of the tests Any further input that you may have will be greatly appreciated. Now to get ready to do some more painting on the bottom of the wings. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:34:28 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Pump Tests To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005401c516ba$082b49f0$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Excellent work Dan. Your pictures are worth a thousand words and hopefully will eliminate a thousand more discussions. I have found that with my type 4 turbo setup, using a Revflow carb, that without my single Faucet pump turned on, I can only get 3000 rpm. With the pump on, I can go to 3600 and probably beyond that. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:57:03 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: KR> Facets To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001e01c516c5$90a30ba0$4486ecdc@athlon2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dan Good series of tests. A little bit extra that I found. I think the seepage is due to a minute groove cut into the inlet valve face. I think is is done to keep it lubricated with fuel otherwise it can become stuck to the seat if it dries out. I noticed this when I dismantled a pump to free it up, three or so years back. Refer archives on this topic. John The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjanet@optusnet.com.au ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:50:53 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Fuel Pump Tests To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000201c516dd$e2cf3120$8a64a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So I conducted some tests. ++++++++++++++ Well set up exercise with positive and tangible results - thanks Dan. Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:01:43 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Dispute Resolution??? - Why I need this to be covered in the contract " agreement " To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050219165914.00c15900@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >There is no "lawyer involved". There are many issues to deal with, >particularly in the case where one person dies and the family decides >that they do want to get a lawyer to take your plane away from you, >when that is something that neither of you wanted to happen. One might put in the agreement that the partners agree at the end of each year what the plane is valued at to cover such a situation, and place this at the bottom of the contract with initials. In the event of the death of one, the family will not be able to go after more than 1/2 of that agreed price. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:49:31 -0800 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: KR> Project visit To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00e701c516ee$6bef7590$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Brian, I sure appreciate you taking the time and interest to stop by and pay me and my unfinished KR2 a visit while you were in the Seattle area. It was a pleasure to meet you and spend some time talking about our interest in KR2s. Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA email: c.midkiff@verizon.net my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:05 AM Subject: RE: Seattle KRs Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:51:51 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> Dispute Resolution??? - Why I need this to be covered in the contract " agreement " To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050219.185152.768.0.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is exactly what a partner and I had in our agreement on our Champ. The agreement extended to the loss of one of the partners in that we agreed on a value of the plane annually. If something happened to one partner, the other had the option to buy the other half of the plane for half of the agreed upon value. That was specifically to keep lawyers or family members from getting greedy. -Jeff On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:01:43 -0800 larry severson writes: > > >There is no "lawyer involved". There are many issues to deal > with, > >particularly in the case where one person dies and the family > decides that > >they do want to get a lawyer to take your plane away from you, when > that is > >something that neither of you wanted to happen. > > One might put in the agreement that the partners agree at the end of > each > year what the plane is valued at to cover such a situation, and > place this > at the bottom of the contract with initials. In the event of the > death of > one, the family will not be able to go after more than 1/2 of that > agreed > price. > > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:00:17 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: CorvAircraft> Fw: KR> Fuel Pump Tests To: "KR Net" , "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" Message-ID: <007201c516f8$5a267f20$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Back in November, right after I received my airworthiness certificate from the FAA, I redid my dual Facet pump arrangement. Originally, I had a common line between the left wing tank and the right wing tank. Both of my facets were originally drawing off the common line. There were no installed check valves to prevent recirculation of the fuel. All the testing I did proved that fuel would not flow back through the Facet pump except for minute seepage. Dan's testing also proved this. However, I did not like the fact that I was drawing off both tanks simultaneously therefore, I decided to do away with the common line and have one Facet pulling from the right wing tank and one Facet pulling from the left wing tank. Both of the Facets pump into a common Tee which feeds to a fuel shut off which then feeds to the carburetor. The only thing which prevents me from pumping from one tank into the other is the backflow prevention of the Facet not being used. I can run the right tank pump independently of the left tank pump and manipulate my fuel from which tank I wish to use. Since I have changed to this arrangement, I have run both wing tanks from full to empty. In doing this, absolutely no indication of filling one tank from the other was indicated by my fuel gauges. What ever amount of fuel that was pumped back through the pump not in use was so negligible that the gauges were unable to detect it. I am completely satisfied with my fuel set up and am much more confident operating the tanks independently of each other than drawing of a common line like I was originally doing. Dan did some very nice documentation of his test and what I personally have learned from my fuel set up only backs what Dan has shown us all. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:23 PM Subject: Re: CorvAircraft> Fw: KR> Fuel Pump Tests > John Brannon wrote: > > > Just keep in mind that this is for a specific Facet > > pump and there are many. In this case the pump tested > > does have a check valve and does not have an > > anti-siphon valve. > > I don't know what the N on the end of "40105N" means, but the "40105" > is listed as having neither check valve nor anti-siphon valve on > Facet's website at http://www.facet-purolator.com/solidstate.asp . > Anything's possible though, > I suppose. A Google search for "Facet 40105N" yields no hits, so I suspect > the N isn't really part of the part number. > > I think the message to be gleaned from Dan's testing is that a little > testing goes a long way toward clearing up any questions one would > have about a particular fuel system setup, BEFORE it's test flown... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > > _________________________________________________________ > search the CorvAircraft archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from CorvAircraft, send a message to CorvAircraft-leave@mylist.net > Other CorvAircraft list info is at http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:58:25 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Fuenzalida Subject: Re: KR> Agreement for Co-Ownership - Dispute Resolution??? To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050220035825.77204.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't know if it will do any good, but I am in a partnership of a Beechcraft Sundowner with 3 other guys. Our documents were basically made up by the group with no real leagl assistance. if you want to see the items we agreed upon, I wouldn't mind sharing a copy. However, one of the reasons I am building a KR is to not have any partners at all. Ray --- Dan Heath wrote: > I have had a paralegal look at our agreement for > Co-Ownership and she > discussed it with an attorney. The main problem > they saw with it, is that > there is no provision for dispute resolution. Since > there are only 2 of us, > majority vote won't work. > > Any ideas? I intend to share this document with the > group when it is > complete. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on > the pics > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING > and the time for building > has expired. > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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