From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 81 Date: 2/22/2005 9:00:16 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Timber top deck (Bavo) 2. Tax man (Joseph H Horton) 3. Re: Re: (Robert L. Stone) 4. Re: Re: (Robert L. Stone) 5. RE: Electronic Ignition (Jim Faughn) 6. Re: Electronic Ignition (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 7. RE: Electronic Ignition (kr2) 8. EAA Check Points (Mark Jones) 9. Re: R?f. : KR> Electronic Ignition (robert glidden) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:02:58 +1100 From: Bavo Subject: Re: KR> Timber top deck To: raybeth123@sbcglobal.net, KRnet Message-ID: <830558f9050222170241de1077@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Ray, any pics of yours on the web? Any problems bending on the ply wing skins? Did you have to soak it? Thanks, John. > I covered my inner wings and turtledeck with 1/16 inch thick plywood. > I haven't flown yet and no problems this far. I did cover the plywood > with one layer of KR (6oz. fiberglass) and one layer of deck(11/2 oz.) > fiberglass. -- http://au.geocities.com/johnbavington ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:03:52 -0500 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: KR> Tax man To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050222.200352.-718791.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Guys That did not take long at all. I got the tax notification in the mail today from the Commonwealth of Pa. Less than 3 weeks from the time that I received the registration for the KR. I guess that is why our state budget gets balanced. Joe Horton ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:37:01 -0600 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Re: To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002901c51948$2c8e2520$a624c944@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dan, All I get on the http://kr-builder is "This page cannot be shown"????????????? Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 6:25 PM Subject: Re: KR> Re: > You can see the Great Plains Electronic Ignition at http://kr-builder > org/FirewallForward/index.html > > And yes it does come with instructions, but they may leave you with a > lot > of > questions. > > > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building > has expired. > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > -------Original Message------- > > Please explain, does Great Plains sell an electronic ignition unit > with > > installation instructions? > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:39:46 -0600 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Re: To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003101c51948$8e82e590$a624c944@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Pat, Can you give me a phone number at Great Plains so I can talk with steve. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "patrusso" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: Re: KR> Re: > Yes, Great Plains does sell it and installation instructions are with > it. > In > my case, I simply removed the point section (top part) of the std. VW > bosch > 009 distributer and snapped on the electronic pick up, screwed the module > to > the firewall and presto,..done. Talk with Steve at great plains,..he'l' > set > you right. Another great source of expertise is Orma, one of our KR net > buddies and the originator of the message I sent you. Good luck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert L. Stone" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:15 PM > Subject: KR> Re: > > >> Hi Pat, >> Please explain, does Great Plains sell an electronic ignition >> unit with >> installation instructions? This is what I am looking for if such a >> thing >> is available. Thanks much for your response. >> >> Bob Stone >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "patrusso" >> To: "KRnet" >> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 2:41 PM >> Subject: KR> Fw: >> >> >>> Robert Stone >>> Here is a e mail I got on the subject from one of our KR colleagues >>> a >>> few >>> weeks ago. I am running single ignition and feel that the following info >>> has merit....the choice is still obviously mine...I am sticking with my >>> Great Plains electronics but would certainly consider two different >>> ignitions if I had the choice. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Orma >>> To: patrusso >>> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 3:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: >>> >>> >>> Hello Pat >>> >>> Mt Vernon, Ill is just north of St Louis. To register, Go to the KRnet >>> home page and click on the link to the 2005 gathering web site. As for >>> the electronic vs. the magneto, mags are old technology and if yours >>> is new or in good condition, it should work well. The electronic >>> from GPASC should also work well, however some of the electronic >>> ignitions are internally set for the maximum spark advance and will >>> not start the engine. The mag if it has an impulse coupler will >>> start and then move to >>> the advanced position. I have on rare occasions seen a mag have >>> problems. They usually start performing poorly just like all point type >>> ignition systems. They generally never fail without warning first. >>> That >>> is not true with the electronic, when they fail it is usually without >>> warning. I have used the Bosch 009 as a single ignition for a lot of >>> years. I currently have a Slick and the 009. >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Orma >>> Southfield, MI >>> N110LR celebrating 20 years >>> Flying, flying and more flying >>> http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ >>> _______________________________________ >>> Search the KRnet Archives at >>> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >>> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:50:42 -0600 From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: RE: KR> Electronic Ignition To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000401c5194a$15ef3640$b7dc5540@jfaughn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I use a Compufire available from Steve at Great Plains. The Compufire fits into the 009. He also has another ignition system as well. Also, you might want to read what I discovered about timing the engine and why I found that static timing doesn't work with electronic ignition. The info is at http://members.sockets.net/~jfaughn/kr/uniquepartsofmykr/kr_vw_timing.ht ml Jim Faughn 891JF -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:52 AM To: KR Builders Pilots Subject: KR> Electronic Ignition Netters, I have heard that the modern electronic ignition system is more reliable than the conventional two magneto set-up in all aircraft engines. Assuming this is true, opinions from any of you who are knowledgeable in this area would be welcome. Also does anyone know where if at all an electronic ignition to use on a VW engine is available. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:51:03 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Electronic Ignition To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050222.215103.1696.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:50:42 -0600 "Jim Faughn" writes: > I use a Compufire available from Steve at Great Plains. The > Compufire > fits into the 009. He also has another ignition system as well. > Also, > you might want to read what I discovered about timing the engine and > why > I found that static timing doesn't work with electronic ignition. > The > info is at > htmembers.sockets.net/~jfaughn/kr/uniquepartsofmykr/kr_vw_timing.htmltp:/ /> > Jim Faughn > 891JF > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On > Behalf Of Robert L. Stone > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:52 AM > To: KR Builders Pilots > Subject: KR> Electronic Ignition > > > Netters, > I have heard that the modern electronic ignition system is more > > reliable than the conventional two magneto set-up in all aircraft > engines. Assuming this is true, opinions from any of you who are > knowledgeable in > > this area would be welcome. Also does anyone know where if at all > an > electronic ignition to use on a VW engine is available. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:40:23 +1100 From: kr2 Subject: RE: KR> Electronic Ignition To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <24845643.1109130023401.JavaMail.imail@web09ps> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 After reading Jim's views on time engines below, I will add my views. If using points (contacts) in a distributor then the most accurate way to measure the point’s gap is to actually measure the dwell angle with a meter. An icorrect dwell angle will affect the ignition timing. All initial timing (prior to first time start up) should be done statically but the final ignition timing should always be checked with a timing light. For dual ignition systems, the timing should be checked on both systems. The one that fires first is the real timing setting. On dual systems there should not be much variation unless it is by design, some systems fire one spark plug before the other to ensure a uniform burn in the combustion chamber, in this case it is critical to ensure that the correct spark plug lead is on the correct spark plug. It has been my experience that incorrect timing can affects: - engine temperature - fuel consumption - power/performance - engine wear, in severe pinging cases, actual structural damage to pistons, valves and heads regards Barry Kruyssen kr2@bigpond.com ---- Jim Faughn wrote: http://members.sockets.net/~jfaughn/kr/uniquepartsofmykr/kr_vw_timing.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:08:45 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> EAA Check Points To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <007601c5195d$667936c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Today I received my copy of The EAA Check Points newsletter volume 3 issue 1. On the third page there is an article on the EAA Memorial Wall. There is also a photo of a gentleman tracing a name of a loved one from the wall. Directly below his right hand is the inscription on Kenneth Rand that many of you donated to help make this memorial for Ken Rand possible. Just thought you would like to know. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:24:21 -0500 From: "robert glidden" Subject: Re: R?f. : KR> Electronic Ignition To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00fc01c5195f$8c7e4480$0c00000a@computer2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm am not a fan one way or the other,but how can you in one paragraph say mags are bad and always go out thats why they run dual mags on certified aircraft.And then in a later paragraph say you have found a better system that consist on dual (two) electronic systems.Having worked with both system I will say the one hugh advantage to a mag on a car or airplane in the do not usually go out without giving some type of warning,by that I mean the engine runs ruff or misses out noticably.On the other hand when your electronic ignition goe's out it just stops working.You can run as many electronic systems as you want,but if your alternator or batter goe's out I hope the other is working good at 8000 ft above mother earth.And if your going to tell people they are better the mags why not run one ignition.Not trying to stir anything just curious...Bob Being a geared system, they are, by essence, very unreliable. This is the very reason why there are two of them on an aircraft I On my 2.0 liter Type 4 VW, recently replaced by a 2.4 liter Type 4 VW, I run a fully dual redundant electronic ignition system. This consists of two solid state electronic ignitions, salvaged from 1980's motorcycles. . "Robert L. Stone" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-02-22 18:51 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-02-22 18:53 Pour : "KR Builders Pilots" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Electronic Ignition Netters, I have heard that the modern electronic ignition system is more reliable than the conventional two magneto set-up in all aircraft engines. Assuming this is true, opinions from any of you who are knowledgeable in this area would be welcome. Also does anyone know where if at all an electronic ignition to use on a VW engine is available. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 81 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================