From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 82 Date: 2/23/2005 11:29:22 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: This page cannot (Dan Heath) 2. RE: Electronic Ignition (Dan Heath) 3. R?f. : Re: R?f. : KR> Electronic Ignition (Serge VIDAL) 4. Electronic Ignition (Serge His Solution) (Orma) 5. Re: R?f. : Re: R?f. : KR> Electronic Ignition (Dan Heath) 6. RE: Ref. : Re: Ref. : KR> Electronic Ignition (Brian Kraut) 7. R?f. : KR> Electronic Ignition (Serge His Solution) (Serge VIDAL) 8. Sharing photos the easy, FREE way (F Ross) 9. Re: R?f. : KR> Electronic Ignition (Serge His Solution) (Scott) 10. coatings (Andy Hatting) 11. (Fwd) KR> coatings (Andy Hatting) 12. Re: coatings (Terry Teer) 13. Steve glover How is Corona doing? (Ron Smith) 14. Re: Re: (patrusso) 15. RE: Steve glover How is Corona doing? (Steve Glover) 16. Electronic ignition (The Ainsworths) 17. Re: coatings (Tinyauto@aol.com) 18. RE: Electronic ignition re-sending (The Ainsworths) 19. Re: coatings (Scott Cable) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:52:54 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Re: This page cannot To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <421C6086.000009.03176@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Try it again. I get that sometimes also and have complained and put in support tickets, but it keeps happening. It is working most of the time. http://kr-builder.org/FirewallForward/index.html See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- All I get on the http://kr-builder is "This page cannot be shown"????????????? ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:59:25 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Electronic Ignition To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <421C620D.00000B.03176@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jim, This is good information to have. If going to the page, you get "Page not found" or something like that, it is because the ml is left off the address. Try this, http://members.sockets.net/~jfaughn/kr/uniquepartsofmykr/kr_vw_timing.html See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- I found that static timing doesn't work with electronic ignition. The info is at http://members.sockets.net/~jfaughn/kr/uniquepartsofmykr/kr_vw_timing.ht ml Jim Faughn 891JF ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:16:46 +0100 From: "Serge VIDAL" Subject: R?f. : Re: R?f. : KR> Electronic Ignition To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey, I warned you that was my biased opinion! ;-) OK, thank you for the opportunity to discuss my two pet subjects: aircraft engine ignition and certification thereoff.. First of all, one of my first job was reliability analyst engineer. From that experience, I have retained that all technologies fail. Bad design helps to fail faster, but no matter how well you design and manufacture, some technologies have inherent limitations. It is bad practice to compensate low reliability with high redundancy and heavy maintenance. It is better practice to switch to a better technology. That is what the automotive industry did. That is not what the light aircraft industry did, because market pressure and manufacturing quantities are much lower. Personally, I do not trust high speed rotating electrical contacts, which is basicaly what magnetos and distributors are. Especially when they have been designed in the 1930's. But I do not trust very fancy electronics either, and software, even less. This is why I am so happy with contactless, solid state electronics, which I feel is a good trade-off. The failure mode of an electronic ignition is usually what we call in the trade "catastrophic failure", meaning that it is both total and sudden. So, yes, that is less comfortable that your mags giving you a rough running engine. But the failure rate of magnetos is much higher, and their performance as an ignition system is much lower. Not to mention the costs. So, that's a choice. As far as redundancy is concerned, I did not design my electronic ignition system. It came with the KR2 when I bought it, a few years ago, in South Africa. It was partially redundant, with two pick-ups, but only one set of coils and spark plugs. I decided to make it fully redundant, because I knew that if I had to relocate somewhere else (which eventually happened) , it would be easier to convince the inspectors if the system is fully redundant. So, certification issue again.. My personal opinion is that one ignition is good enough. I have got only one carb and one propeller, so I could live with one good ignition. But in any case, electronic ignition requires a highly reliable electrical system, ad this is where I tried not to goof. Still from my experience as a reliability engineer, I took great care not to have dormant failures (meaning a failure that comes undetected). I want to make sure I have ten solid minutes ahead of me to make a precautionary landing. What is true for me is true for the aircraft manufacturers. Jeff Scott says: "However, the certification process is there for many more reasons than to dig $$ out of your pockets to propagate the use of antiques" "The FAA does not require the use of magnetos in certified aircraft. For certification purposes, it does require that if the ignition system is dependant on battery for power that there be a minimum of 30 minute reserve with part of that time under a normal electrical load. So why is it that Cessna and Piper are still using magneto fired engines? OK, Cirrus is a new company doing cutting edge work even using electronic FADEC controls and glass cockpits. So why are their engines magneto fired as well? Think about it. I'm sure their engineers have. The answer is: the market. Face it guys: aircraft engines are very expensive, very inefficient and very unreliable as compared to car engines. Light aircraft lag way behind cars as far as technology is concerned. Cessna and Piper build aircraft that were designed in the 1950's at the best, and Lycoming and Continental make engines that were designed roughly at the same period. That is the reason why a $ 250 000 aircraft does not have electronic ignition, fuel injection, airbags, ABS brakes, air conditioning, and all the nice things that any $ 15 000 car would have. Most brand new aircraft even come without a decent safety belt, for Pete's sake! Cirrus had a lot more ambition for their aircraft, but they ended up cutting corners, because of the high cost of certifying new solutions. The cost of certification is not only high, it is also unpredictable. If I remember well, Cirrus's certification budget was in excess of 50 MILLION dollars. They made clear at a point that they wished for a better engine, but they could not find one that could be certified quickly and cheaply enough. I once saw a brand new Lycoming engine with a very strange ignition system: it had one set of plugs on magneto, and the other set on electronic. Only in aviation can you find such strange things... Well, enough preaching. The bottomline is I do have a proven electronic ignition solution for VW engines that several times cheaper than magnetos, very easy to build, and maintenance free. Anybody interested, just E-mail me. I will be happy to send pictures, schematics, and explanations. Anybody wanting me to revert to magnetos, don't waste your time. I'm beyond redemption, and I'm too broke for the expense anyway. ;-) And anyway, my next engine will simply have no ignition system at all. 'cause it will be a Diesel. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "robert glidden" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-02-23 05:24 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-02-23 05:34 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: Réf. : KR> Electronic Ignition I'm am not a fan one way or the other,but how can you in one paragraph say mags are bad and always go out thats why they run dual mags on certified aircraft.And then in a later paragraph say you have found a better system that consist on dual (two) electronic systems.Having worked with both system I will say the one hugh advantage to a mag on a car or airplane in the do not usually go out without giving some type of warning,by that I mean the engine runs ruff or misses out noticably.On the other hand when your electronic ignition goe's out it just stops working.You can run as many electronic systems as you want,but if your alternator or batter goe's out I hope the other is working good at 8000 ft above mother earth.And if your going to tell people they are better the mags why not run one ignition.Not trying to stir anything just curious...Bob Being a geared system, they are, by essence, very unreliable. This is the very reason why there are two of them on an aircraft I On my 2.0 liter Type 4 VW, recently replaced by a 2.4 liter Type 4 VW, I run a fully dual redundant electronic ignition system. This consists of two solid state electronic ignitions, salvaged from 1980's motorcycles. . "Robert L. Stone" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-02-22 18:51 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-02-22 18:53 Pour : "KR Builders Pilots" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Electronic Ignition Netters, I have heard that the modern electronic ignition system is more reliable than the conventional two magneto set-up in all aircraft engines. Assuming this is true, opinions from any of you who are knowledgeable in this area would be welcome. Also does anyone know where if at all an electronic ignition to use on a VW engine is available. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:20:14 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Electronic Ignition (Serge His Solution) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <011601c51999$a631cf20$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Serge and Net Serge in your post you state..... "Now, my solution. On my 2.0 liter Type 4 VW, recently replaced by a 2.4 liter Type 4 VW, I run a fully dual redundant electronic ignition system. This consists of two solid state electronic ignitions, salvaged from 1980's motorcycles. These are nice, because: " After reading your post I am left wanting more information. You know, the kind with all the how to secrets. 1 - They have very few components; What are they 3 - They run from the crankshaft.......; How are they attached to the crank. 4 - The timing pickup.....; Where is the timing pickup 6 - They come straight from.......; What make and model cycle Lastly I would ask if you have any pictures of this setup posted on a page anywhere. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:54:48 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: R?f. : KR> Electronic Ignition To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <421C6F08.00000D.03176@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: I once saw a brand new Lycoming engine with a very strange ignition system: it had one set of plugs on magneto, and the other set on electronic. Only in aviation can you find such strange things... That is exactly the way outs is set up because I wanted the best of both. Each has it's advantages and disadvantages. This gives me the best that I can get under the circumstances. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:29:10 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Ref. : Re: Ref. : KR> Electronic Ignition To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Personally I would like to have the best of both worlds. Mags have the advantage of their own electical system so they don't rely on the battery/alternator. Electronic ignition has the advantage of being able to advance the timing at higher RPMs and also the advantage of a much stonger spark. You can get all of these advantages rolled into one if you use the new P-mags, Slick LASAR, or the other one that I can't remember the name of right now. Of course you will pay a lot more, but you will have more power and better fuel economy also. While we are on the subect, one of the greatest advantages of an electronic system is the ability to advance the timing at higher RPMs. Mags typically fire at about 25 degrees BTDC. The engine will produce more power and be much more efficient at cruise RPM if the mag fired sooner, only problem is that it would be to much advance at lower RPM and it would not idle well. The 25 degrees is a compromise and why you don't get a nice smooth idle and easy starts on an aircraft engine and don't get the full power and economy at higher power. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:55 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: Ref. : Re: Ref. : KR> Electronic Ignition RE: I once saw a brand new Lycoming engine with a very strange ignition system: it had one set of plugs on magneto, and the other set on electronic. Only in aviation can you find such strange things... That is exactly the way outs is set up because I wanted the best of both. Each has it's advantages and disadvantages. This gives me the best that I can get under the circumstances. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:33:35 +0100 From: "Serge VIDAL" Subject: R?f. : KR> Electronic Ignition (Serge His Solution) To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here are some quick answers to your questions. I hope I use the right terms. I only have practical knowledge of the system, so just tell me if I am unclear. 1 - Components One complete set of these electronic ignition consists of: - One tiny mechanical assembly (which I will call a finger). It is rigged to the crankshaft; its function is to give the timing, and it is spring loaded to cater for advance/retard variation at start-up; - Two tiny magnetic sensors (with two wires each); these are rigged to the engine block, with a bracket, and are placed around the crankshaft, (around the finger). They are horizontally opposed (180°). When the finger passes by, they trigger. - Two "relays" (with five wires each) The function of these is to open and close the power supply to the coils, when the magnetic sensors tell them to. - Two coils . Note that these coils have two spark plugs lead each. - Four spark plugs. I haven't opened the magnetic sensors housings, nor the relays housings. But considering that the magnetic housings are half the size of a matchbox and the relays the size of a matchbox, there can't be too many components in them. 3 - Crankshaft attachment The mechanical assembly is bolted to the crankshaft. The magnetic sensors are rigged to a plate, which is attached to the engine block through a bracket with long legs. 4 - Timing pickup I already answered that, but I should elaborate a little bit more. The solid rigging ensures precise timing. Once you are happy with the timing, you tighten the bolts, and the timing stays like that forever. Only at start-up, the advance is less, to prevent kick-back. Then the engine starts, and the centrifugal force makes the finger fight its spring, and it assumes correct timing position. Every half turn of the crankshaft, one of the two magnetic sensors closes the relay, and as a consequence, two spark plugs fire. One fires at the right timing (ignition), the other fires at the wrong timing (exhaust phase). So, only one serves a purpose, but the system is made more simple 6 - They come straight from.......; What make and model cycle Honda CB series, circa 1980 or so. I am not 100% sure. When I decided to expand the system, I took my parts to a bike junkyard, and asked them to give me the same ones. There were many look-alikes to choose from, because most Japanese 4-cylinder bikes of that time used the same set-up. Lastly I would ask if you have any pictures of this setup posted on a page anywhere. Sorry, I haven't got a Web site. Any volunteers, step forward. Serge Vidal ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:26:56 -0800 (PST) From: F Ross Subject: KR> Sharing photos the easy, FREE way To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050223142656.27036.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Lastly I would ask if you have any pictures of this > setup posted on a page anywhere. > > Sorry, I haven't got a Web site. Any volunteers, > step forward. > > Serge Vidal Serge, Others, I do not have anything to do with yahoo, but I keep seeing people complain that they have no way to share their photos and they couldn't be more wrong! The easiest and cheapest way to share your photos that I know if is a FREE yahoo! account. I have used one for years. Once you set it up, you can then set up a FREE photo page with three "albums" that others can "go to" and view your photos. All you have to do is cut and paste the web-address for your photo site on your signature block like I do below. Take a look at my photos by "clicking" on the addresses below. All it requires is that your photos are on your computer and, I believe, in jpeg format. Try it out, it won't cost you anything. You don't have to USE the yahoo e-mail account, if you don't want to, just the photo part. Frank ===== Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:36:52 -0500 From: Scott Subject: Re: R?f. : KR> Electronic Ignition (Serge His Solution) To: KRnet Message-ID: <421C9504.4090806@ctc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Serge, Send the pics to me and I'll post them. ke4lom (at) ctc (dot) net Scott Stanton Raleigh NC Serge VIDAL wrote: >Here are some quick answers to your questions. I hope I use the right >terms. I only have practical knowledge of the system, so just tell me if I >am unclear. > >1 - Components >One complete set of these electronic ignition consists of: >- One tiny mechanical assembly (which I will call a finger). It is >rigged >to the crankshaft; its function is to give the timing, and it is spring >loaded to cater for advance/retard variation at start-up; >- Two tiny magnetic sensors (with two wires each); these are rigged to the >engine block, with a bracket, and are placed around the crankshaft, >(around the finger). They are horizontally opposed (180°). When the finger >passes by, they trigger. >- Two "relays" (with five wires each) The function of these is to open and >close the power supply to the coils, when the magnetic sensors tell them >to. >- Two coils . Note that these coils have two spark plugs lead each. >- Four spark plugs. >I haven't opened the magnetic sensors housings, nor the relays housings. >But considering that the magnetic housings are half the size of a matchbox >and the relays the size of a matchbox, there can't be too many components >in them. > >3 - Crankshaft attachment >The mechanical assembly is bolted to the crankshaft. The magnetic >sensors >are rigged to a plate, which is attached to the engine block through a >bracket with long legs. > >4 - Timing pickup >I already answered that, but I should elaborate a little bit more. The >solid rigging ensures precise timing. Once you are happy with the timing, >you tighten the bolts, and the timing stays like that forever. Only at >start-up, the advance is less, to prevent kick-back. Then the engine >starts, and the centrifugal force makes the finger fight its spring, and >it assumes correct timing position. >Every half turn of the crankshaft, one of the two magnetic sensors closes >the relay, and as a consequence, two spark plugs fire. One fires at the >right timing (ignition), the other fires at the wrong timing (exhaust >phase). So, only one serves a purpose, but the system is made more simple > > >6 - They come straight from.......; What make and model cycle >Honda CB series, circa 1980 or so. I am not 100% sure. When I decided >to >expand the system, I took my parts to a bike junkyard, and asked them to >give me the same ones. There were many look-alikes to choose from, because >most Japanese 4-cylinder bikes of that time used the same set-up. > >Lastly I would ask if you have any pictures of this setup posted on a >page > >anywhere. > >Sorry, I haven't got a Web site. Any volunteers, step forward. > >Serge Vidal >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:39:24 +0200 From: "Andy Hatting" Subject: KR> coatings To: KRnet Message-ID: <421CB1BC.27587.1E25474@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Net. I have purchased a half-built KR2S and a few of the items have some rust on. They all probably need different kinds of treatments due to their location: 1. The first part is the engine mounting bracket, (or whatever else you call it). What kind of finishing would this take as it is probably quite hot and powder coating may not be suitable for this area. Is there some type of good heat resistant finish that would stay on? 2. The next part(s) are the two wheel arms. They also have surface rust on, and I thought some sandblasting and powder coating are a re-tension by some professional co., or am I on the wrong track? 3. The next part(s) is the exhaust. This will need a very strong heat resistant coating. I was thinking of Chroming, but this may turn blue quite quickly, or am I on the wrong tack entirely? Please help!! Regards, Andy Hatting ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:44:35 +0200 From: "Andy Hatting" Subject: (Fwd) KR> coatings To: KRnet Message-ID: <421CB2F3.29115.1E71187@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sorry net, a few mistakes in my first e-mail. I am rectifying and re-sending. Andy Hatting ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "Andy Hatting" To: KRnet Date sent: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:39:24 +0200 Priority: normal Subject: KR> coatings Send reply to: KRnet [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] Hi Net. I have purchased a half-built KR2S and a few of the items have some rust on. They all probably need different kinds of treatments due to their location: 1. The first part is the engine mounting bracket, (or whatever else you call it). What kind of finishing would this take as it is probably quite hot and powder coating may not be suitable for this area. Is there some type of good heat resistant finish that would stay on? 2. The next part(s) are the two wheel arms. They also have surface rust on, and I thought some sandblasting and powder coating and a re-tension by some professional co., or am I on the wrong track? 3. The next part(s) is the exhaust. This will need a very strong heat resistant coating. I was thinking of Chroming, but this may turn blue quite quickly, or am I on the wrong tack entirely? Please help!! Regards, Andy Hatting _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------- End of forwarded message ------- ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:58:58 -0600 From: "Terry Teer" Subject: Re: KR> coatings To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000b01c519b8$3584ce20$abf14fd8@TGSR41610670> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Powdercoating the engine mount is by far the best way to go. It is naturally applied as a powder and heated to about 500-550 degrees and the powder will then melt and be impervious to the amount of heat in the cowled area. I powdercoated several years back (mid 80's) in Denver, CO. The wheels can also be coated, but if they are magnesium or alum make sure that they are preheated in the oven to wick all the air and contaminants out of the metal. I would recommend that you blast them with a soda ash or plastic bead and use a good epoxy sealer the color that you want them. If you need a recommendation on the product let me know. As far as the exhaust goes chroming is the best way to prevent corrosion but expensive. I used a company called Jet-Hot Coatings on one of my projects. It is a ceramic coating and is much cheaper. Just search for them on the web. They have several locations. Great people. Hope that I have helped. Regards Terry Ackerman, MS > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:19:55 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Smith Subject: KR> Steve glover How is Corona doing? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050223171955.79569.qmail@web81707.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We've had a lot of rain, and I was thinking of you. Are you ok? Ron Smith, kr2s boat stage. ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:22:58 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Re: To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000401c519cc$52289020$aaa672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Bob Great planes at 402 493 6507, ordering parts at ! 800 922 6507, fax at 402 493 3846 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Stone" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: Re: KR> Re: > Pat, > Can you give me a phone number at Great Plains so I can talk with > steve. > > Bob Stone > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "patrusso" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Re: > > >> Yes, Great Plains does sell it and installation instructions are with >> it. In my case, I simply removed the point section (top part) of the >> std. VW bosch >> 009 distributer and snapped on the electronic pick up, screwed the module >> to >> the firewall and presto,..done. Talk with Steve at great plains,..he'l' >> set >> you right. Another great source of expertise is Orma, one of our KR net >> buddies and the originator of the message I sent you. Good luck >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert L. Stone" >> To: "KRnet" >> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:15 PM >> Subject: KR> Re: >> >> >>> Hi Pat, >>> Please explain, does Great Plains sell an electronic ignition >>> unit with >>> installation instructions? This is what I am looking for if such a >>> thing >>> is available. Thanks much for your response. >>> >>> Bob Stone >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "patrusso" >>> To: "KRnet" >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 2:41 PM >>> Subject: KR> Fw: >>> >>> >>>> Robert Stone >>>> Here is a e mail I got on the subject from one of our KR colleagues >>>> a few weeks ago. I am running single ignition and feel that the >>>> following info >>>> has merit....the choice is still obviously mine...I am sticking with my >>>> Great Plains electronics but would certainly consider two different >>>> ignitions if I had the choice. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Orma >>>> To: patrusso >>>> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 3:41 PM >>>> Subject: Re: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Pat >>>> >>>> Mt Vernon, Ill is just north of St Louis. To register, Go to the >>>> KRnet >>>> home page and click on the link to the 2005 gathering web site. As >>>> for >>>> the electronic vs. the magneto, mags are old technology and if >>>> yours is new or in good condition, it should work well. The >>>> electronic from GPASC should also work well, however some of the >>>> electronic ignitions are internally set for the maximum spark >>>> advance and will not start the engine. The mag if it has an >>>> impulse coupler will start and then move to >>>> the advanced position. I have on rare occasions seen a mag have >>>> problems. They usually start performing poorly just like all point >>>> type >>>> ignition systems. They generally never fail without warning first. >>>> That >>>> is not true with the electronic, when they fail it is usually without >>>> warning. I have used the Bosch 009 as a single ignition for a lot of >>>> years. I currently have a Slick and the 009. >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Orma >>>> Southfield, MI >>>> N110LR celebrating 20 years >>>> Flying, flying and more flying >>>> http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> Search the KRnet Archives at >>>> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >>>> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >>>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> Search the KRnet Archives at >>> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >>> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:36:05 -0800 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> Steve glover How is Corona doing? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Subject: KR> Steve glover How is Corona doing? Hello Ron and Netters, As of today my hangar is under water ...AGAIN!!! They are expecting only 6 - 8 feet this time instead of 14 like the last. The KR is out on the ramp on the east end with Rich Shirley and Richard Seifert's KR's. I haven't had a chance to repair the tail yet as I had just finished cleaning the hangar out from last flood. I have the prop at home and have repaired it and am in the process of refinishing/ balancing. I brought the Long EZ home on a trailer this time. I don't think it could have taken another flood. I have been actively looking for another airport/hangar. Most all hangars are already rented due to the last flood. Chino airport has some land they are preparing to lease. I am considering leasing enough to build 30 - 50 hangars if there is any land left. They normally don't flood out there and it is about the same distance from home. The traffic is just much worse. Making the Gathering isn't looking too promising this year. Steve Glover KR-2 N902G Lake Corona, Ca ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:52:00 -0500 From: "The Ainsworths" Subject: KR> Electronic ignition To: Message-ID: <000001c519d0$6907ad90$0e672fd1@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ok Try this site: it might get truncated so be sure all of the address in bar http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/beezerguy2001/detail?.dir=85ec &.dnm=f8e6.jpg&.src=ph It is a set up for a 6 cylinder Corvair but replacing the Ford 6 point reluctor with the 4 point original Doge Colt or Hyundai Dual redundancy is up to the dual modules failure point Gary ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:05:21 EST From: Tinyauto@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> coatings To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1e9.366746af.2f4e1fe1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I thought Chroming anything on an airplane besides cosmetic things is a NO NO. I have heard horror stories of the FAA red tagging showplanes with chrome work done on them. Chroming makes metal brittle. Kevin. ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:13:38 -0500 From: "The Ainsworths" Subject: KR> RE: Electronic ignition re-sending To: Message-ID: <000001c519d3$6c6f6240$0e672fd1@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" SORRY!! Something went wrong; as it is ok before I send to the list. Must be lost in translation . First one locked up my computer too! Use address only from: http://...... ending src=ph INSIDE THE BRACKETS <...> Don't click on the highlighted first address of the initial 1st message I'll try again: Try this site: it might get truncated so be sure all of the address in bar http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/beezerguy2001/detail?.dir=85ec &.dnm=f8e6.jpg&.src=ph It is a set up for a 6 cylinder Corvair but replacing the Ford 6 point reluctor with the 4 point original Doge Colt or Hyundai. Dual redundancy is up to the dual modules failure point Gary ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:29:03 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> coatings To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050223192904.33063.qmail@web53004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Andy, see imbedded text below: Andy Hatting wrote: 1. The first part is the engine mounting bracket, (or whatever else you call it). What kind of finishing would this take as it is probably quite hot and powder coating may not be suitable for this area. Is there some type of good heat resistant finish that would stay on? Powder coating should work fine for this application. The mount doesn't get hot enough to worry about. 2. The next part(s) are the two wheel arms. They also have surface rust on, and I thought some sandblasting and powder coating are a re-tension by some professional co., or am I on the wrong track? You could take your corroded parts to a media blast company and have the parts LIGHTLY media blasted. Axles have close tolerance surfaces where the bearings mate to, depending upon the amount of corrosion or rust on the parts, it may be wiser to just replace the parts. 3. The next part(s) is the exhaust. This will need a very strong heat resistant coating. I was thinking of Chroming, but this may turn blue quite quickly, or am I on the wrong tack entirely? Try your local Hot Rod shops, ceramic coating the headers has several advantages: 1.) The ceramic coating stays looking nice for years 2.) The ceramic coating prevents the exhaust heat from radiating out into the engine cowling and surrounding area, thus giving you cooler running temperatures. Chrome plating has a tendancy to cause hydrogen embrittlement of the parts, weather that causes you a problem for your exhaust header is probably unlikely. Motorcycles have been using chrome exhaust for decades. However, the bluing of the chrome can be unsightful and allow rust to form. Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 82 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================