From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 95 Date: 3/7/2005 9:00:20 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Link to Sheet (larry flesner) 2. RE: W & B and other progress (Jack Cooper) 3. Engine for sale (tomarickltd.nisbet@att.net) 4. I got scammed by someone on this list!!!! (David Mikesell) 5. RE: I got scammed by someone on this list!!!! (Joachim Saupe) 6. N64KR WB Clarifications (Dan Heath) 7. Moving engine forward - Length of spacer ? (Dan Heath) 8. Re: Moving engine forward - Length of spacer ? (Orma) 9. Lincoln (Eduardo Iglesias) 10. Looking for Dave Mullins (Brian Kraut) 11. RE: W & B and other progress (gleone) 12. Re: W & B and other progress (Mark Langford) 13. - Length of spacer ? (larry flesner) 14. Re: - Length of spacer ? (Barry Kruyssen) 15. Re: - Length of spacer ? (Dan Heath) 16. RE: Moving engine forward - Length of spacer ? (Doug Rupert) 17. RE: Lincoln (Jack Cooper) 18. Sun N Fun (Jack Cooper) 19. more info about I got scammed by someone on this list!!!! (william walsh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 07:20:23 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Link to Sheet To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050307072023.00823660@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dan, Looks like you did an awesome job on the W&B spreadsheet. I would , however, caution other builders that want to use it that their KR MUST BE EXACTLY THE SAME DIMENSION as yours or corrections made to the data. Little things like the length of the tailwheel spring being different, where EXACTLY the seat places the pilot and passanger, fuel tank location, etc. , can make a big difference in the numbers. After structural integraty, W&B is probably the next most critical issue to safe flight. It's not difficult to determine but you have to MAKE SURE IT'S RIGHT!! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:57:00 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> W & B and other progress To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220053171757054@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dan Have you and Jerry decided what cowling to use. Are you going to use the Lankford Molds to make the cowling? Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Dan Heath > To: krnet@mylist.net > Date: 3/6/2005 7:06:00 PM > Subject: KR> W & B and other progress > > Please take a look at this W & B sheet. At the bottom is the part > where the > station for the engine can be adjusted. The yellow highlighted cells > are where the numbers go. The engine is at a negative station as the > firewall is > used for the datum. Any constructive comments, or error corrections > will be > greatly appreciated. > > This weekend we did the W & B over again after carefully calibrating > the scales. Bathroom scales leave a lot to be desired, but the numbers > pass the > reasonableness test. Great news, the plane weighs 624# empty and the > GC is OK as it is, but I think that moving the engine forward will > make it better. > Tell me what you think. > > More great news, we put 5 gal of fuel in it and no leaks have been > found. Bad news is that the fuel gauge does not work. One thing on > choice of fuel, > I first bought some Exxon 93 Octane to use for the pump tests and the > odor is enough to kill you. This time I bought Amoco and it has about > the same odor as avgas. > > The wings are now fully painted and we have worked out the fuel > system. Now, > as soon as the engine placement is decided, I will finish up the > cowling, the only big thing left. > > > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:02:23 +0000 From: tomarickltd.nisbet@att.net Subject: KR> Engine for sale To: krnet@mylist.net (KR_NET) Message-ID: <030720051802.13837.422C972F0000DC360000360D21587667209B0A0D9C0702D20B9B04050C079D0E03019B@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain Netters: I have a Great Plains 2180 Type I engine that I put together with Steve Bennets manuals. It is set up to run on auto gas. It has the premium rear drive with starter and alternator. It includes the intake and exhaust manifolds, oil cooler and filter and a compufire ignition. It is mounted on a firewall attached to an engine stand. The engine has never been started. Reason for selling is that I live in Cheyenne WY altitude 6200 ft, where in summer the density altitude gets to 8 to 10 thousand feet. After seeing the corvairs at the last KR gathering I am convinced that is the way I should go. I am asking $5000.00 for the set up which is over $6000.00 just for parts. Richard Nisbet 322 W 6th Ave Cheyenne WY 82001 307/634-5023 tomarickltd.nisbet@att.net ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:25:41 -0800 From: "David Mikesell" Subject: KR> I got scammed by someone on this list!!!! To: "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <000a01c5235c$38277300$6501a8c0@DavidMikesell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" DO NOT BUY FROM THIS GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . URGENT . William Walsh of Olympia Washington, 360-956-0347, offered to trade a "rebuilt" 0 time 583 for my Complete Geo Package I had listed on Barnstormers. What I got was a email saying thanks for being honest and that the Geo is just as advertised and how much he liked it. The 583 he sent me is junk. I have the pictures and inspection letter by a Certified Rotax Service Center. If you are buying or trading for a T-Bird with a Geo on it, DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. He told me he is trading the T-Bird and my Geo engine package for a KR on this list. I tried to resolve it the easy way I offered to rebuild the 583 myself if he paid for the parts, only $1200.00 and he refused. I told him to return my engine and he refused saying he is selling it. IF you are the buyer stop the transaction. I have hired legal counsel and I will get my engine back whether you bought it or not, it is considered stolen property. Avoid this guy, if you have any doubts just email me and I will gladly send you pictures of this "rebuilt" 0 timeb 583 and you may gladly talk to the Rotax Service Center that condemed the engine David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:17:58 -0600 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> I got scammed by someone on this list!!!! To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22005317221758906@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Thanks for the heads-up! Joachim > [Original Message] > From: David Mikesell > To: KR builders and pilots > Date: 3/7/2005 3:26:52 PM > Subject: KR> I got scammed by someone on this list!!!! > > DO NOT BUY FROM THIS GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . URGENT . William Walsh of Olympia Washington, 360-956-0347, offered to trade a "rebuilt" 0 time 583 for my Complete Geo Package I had listed on Barnstormers. What I got was a email saying thanks for being honest and that the Geo is just as advertised and how much he liked it. The 583 he sent me is junk. I have the pictures and inspection letter by a Certified Rotax Service Center. If you are buying or trading for a T-Bird with a Geo on it, DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. He told me he is trading the T-Bird and my Geo engine package for a KR on this list. I tried to resolve it the easy way I offered to rebuild the 583 myself if he paid for the parts, only $1200.00 and he refused. I told him to return my engine and he refused saying he is selling it. IF you are the buyer stop the transaction. I have hired legal counsel and I will get my engine back whether you bought it or not, it is considered stolen property. Avoid this guy, if you have any doubts just email me and I will gladly send you pictures of this "rebuilt" 0 timeb 583 and you may gladly talk to the Rotax Service Center that condemed the engine > > David Mikesell > 23597 N. Hwy 99 > Acampo, CA 95220 > 209-609-8774 > skyguynca@skyguynca.com > www.skyguynca.com > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:14:37 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> N64KR WB Clarifications To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <422CE05D.000001.02744@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry, Those are some very good points. Therefore, to keep from boring everyone with the details, I changed the weight and balance page on the site. http://kr-builder.org/WeightAndBalance/index.html Read the "Read this first" and then click on the link in the first cell of the thumbnails, for the spreadsheet. Suffice it to say, this sheed will work with any plane, you just have to make the proper entries that I have discussed on that page. Thanks, See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- I would, however, caution other builders that want to use it that their KR MUST BE EXACTLY THE SAME DIMENSION as yours or corrections made to the data. Little things like the length of the tailwheel spring being different, where EXACTLY the seat places the pilot and passanger, fuel tank location, etc. , can make a big difference in the numbers. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:25:17 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Moving engine forward - Length of spacer ? To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <422CF0ED.000003.02888@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Moving the engine 1" forward gives me 0.185" more forward CG with 2 185 people and 3 gal of fuel. So, moving the engine 2" more forward puts me at 13.695 with the same weight on board. I am concerned about what length of spacer starts putting you in a bad situation. I can see that a short spacer does not do to much harm, but that a very long one could. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:34:58 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Moving engine forward - Length of spacer ? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000401c52376$a926c2d0$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Dan I have run 2" spacers for a lot of years. They are alum cylinders slightly larger then the washers and bushings. The bolts have not tried to bend or otherwise deform. They are aircraft grade. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 23:53:18 -0300 From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Subject: KR> Lincoln To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009501c5237a$13f65460$f66e55c8@iglesias> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Anybody has a better price that $ 1.600 for the Lincoln 185? Thanks Eduardo ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:04:07 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> Looking for Dave Mullins To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dave, can you contact me offline at brian@engalt.com. I have some questions about your Grove gear brackets and the email address I used from your web site bounced back. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:05:10 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" Subject: RE: KR> W & B and other progress To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <422CFA46.000001.03236@YOUR-FD6NVJCER4> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jeff, do you know you sent this NINE times? "Michael Moore is living proof to never trust anyone who is bigger around than tall!" -------Original Message------- From: Jack Cooper Date: 03/07/05 10:57:13 To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> W & B and other progress Dan Have you and Jerry decided what cowling to use. Are you going to use the Lankford Molds to make the cowling? Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Dan Heath > To: krnet@mylist.net > Date: 3/6/2005 7:06:00 PM > Subject: KR> W & B and other progress > > Please take a look at this W & B sheet. At the bottom is the part > where the > station for the engine can be adjusted. The yellow highlighted cells > are where the numbers go. The engine is at a negative station as the > firewall is > used for the datum. Any constructive comments, or error corrections > will be > greatly appreciated. > > This weekend we did the W & B over again after carefully calibrating > the scales. Bathroom scales leave a lot to be desired, but the numbers > pass the > reasonableness test. Great news, the plane weighs 624# empty and the > GC is OK as it is, but I think that moving the engine forward will > make it better. > Tell me what you think. > > More great news, we put 5 gal of fuel in it and no leaks have been > found. Bad news is that the fuel gauge does not work. One thing on > choice of fuel, > I first bought some Exxon 93 Octane to use for the pump tests and the > odor is enough to kill you. This time I bought Amoco and it has about > the same odor as avgas. > > The wings are now fully painted and we have worked out the fuel > system. Now, > as soon as the engine placement is decided, I will finish up the > cowling, the only big thing left. > > > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:15:58 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> W & B and other progress To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <017f01c5237c$62e52b30$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Jeff, do you know you sent this NINE times? I only got it once, and who's Jeff, anyway? Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:14:27 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> - Length of spacer ? To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050307191427.0082a7b0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So, moving the engine 2" more forward puts me at >13.695 with the same weight on board. I am concerned about what length >of spacer starts putting you in a bad situation. >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Instead of a single 2" spacer, consider placing a 1" spacer on the firewall and another 1" spacer at the engine. I'm not an engineer but would guess that a 2" spacer, if secured properly, would not be a problem. To repeat, I'm not an engineer............ Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:27:00 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> - Length of spacer ? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <028101c5237d$ef280a30$8200a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That is great Larry Think outside the box. Splitting the torsional load over spacers at either end is great (I'm kicking myself for not thinking of it) regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: larry flesner To: KRnet Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: KR> - Length of spacer ? So, moving the engine 2" more forward puts me at >13.695 with the same weight on board. I am concerned about what length of >spacer starts putting you in a bad situation. >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Instead of a single 2" spacer, consider placing a 1" spacer on the firewall and another 1" spacer at the engine. I'm not an engineer but would guess that a 2" spacer, if secured properly, would not be a problem. To repeat, I'm not an engineer............ Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:52:38 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> - Length of spacer ? To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <422D0566.00000D.02888@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry, You are brilliant. Maybe then, a 2" at the engine and a 1" at the firewall, cept at the firewall, that will interfere with my battery. I think that I will check it out anyway. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- Instead of a single 2" spacer, consider placing a 1" spacer on the firewall and another 1" spacer at the engine. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:28:58 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Moving engine forward - Length of spacer ? To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002e01c52386$ad3ad130$a66cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Actually this is the very reason I have been looking into the rear drive setup. Also since I have this "thing" regarding fuel in the cockpit with me, the space formerly occupied by the header tank will become the baggage area. That way whenever the C.G. tends to be further aft than I like I can add a little ballast as needed. As Colin reported earlier this week about his turbulence encounter having everything in a closed compartment appeals to me. Doug Rupert -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:33:44 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> Lincoln To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-2200532833344862@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Eduardo I have also been looking at the prices of Tig welders. Go to ebay and search on Lincoln Tig and you will find some for $1581 which includes shipping. Also at www.sears.com they have it listed at $1699 but you can sometimes find sales or coupons for 10% off. I'm a Sears associate so I can get an additional 10% off so I may get one from Sears. I want to go to Sun N Fun to check out their prices and compare some of the different models. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Eduardo Iglesias > To: KRnet > Date: 3/7/2005 8:03:40 PM > Subject: KR> Lincoln > > Hi > Anybody has a better price that $ 1.600 for the Lincoln 185? > Thanks > Eduardo > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:39:07 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: KR> Sun N Fun To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" , "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <410-220053283397628@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I would like to share a ride and expenses to Sun N Fun. If anyone is traveling I-95 and would also like to share please email me off net so we can discuss schedules. My schedule can be very flexible but I would prefer to spend only 2 or 3 days there. I live in North Carolina and we can use my car or yours. Jack Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:55:45 -0800 (PST) From: william walsh Subject: KR> more info about I got scammed by someone on this list!!!! To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: baroness@barnstormers.com Message-ID: <20050308045545.38962.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 3/7/05 HI all Here is some info that you should look at about David mikesell and the 583 that I traded him. First of all I told him that I would help him out all that I could. I call Gordon Saum a rotax dealer/ serv that I paid $2,170 for to go thew and replace any bad parts on the gear box and 583 as paid for. He went strait to Gordon and started threatening him with a lawsuit. First he called my wife and told her that the head bolt were leaking water. So I call him back as soon as I heard the bad news as documented by ph call and email. He did not even wait for me to call back and started to take it apart that voided any warranty's that may have had on it. Most used engine and rebuilt engines don't have them in the rotax world and if the do it is only about 30 day. But I still told him that he would be taken care of even if I had to pay and go after Gordon. I had know idea that the 583 was not gone thew and was a piece of trash as stated by David Mikesell and also stated that Gordon had indeed gone thew it and bench tested it as to his phone call to Gordon and mine. I never ran it or even had motor mounts made to use it. Even he him self told me that there is know way that I could have known it because it had not been run as documented by ph call and e-mail. As Soon as he told me that he was going to file a law suit at Gordon I recorded all e-mail and had my wife monitor all phone conversation with him .Even after Gordon told him he was not going to pay for his parts he came after me and he has all right to do so as I sold it as a rebuild,not knowing the shape that it was in.I would do the same thing. Even after him slandering my name and livelihood on many web sites I still after manyPhone calls and e-mail I still gave he my word that I would take care of this. I told him that I would sent it back to the shop were it came from and have it gone thew again as stated by Gordon Saum in e-mail below. Now he is telling me and everyone that I refused to have it fix. I would be more then happy to share all info in this matter with anyone as I have nothing to hide. As far as the Geo that I got from him It was sold in a a/c as he Had knowledge that is way I was trading it. I feel for the lost time that he has had over all this.Even with all the lawsuit things and slandering of my name I was still willing to have it sent back or even send him cash that he had told me would be ok in the first place but this is not good enough for him now he wants me to pay for his engine that I sold. Had he found out about these problems before I had sold the engine that is after almost a month. I would have been more then happy to send it back to him. Not only does he want me to pay $4,000 for his old engine he wants me to pay for his gyro that a customer was going to buy and said that he lost the deal because of this. I have been more than willing to help him out and now I am in a rock and a hard spot because I trussed some one to go thew and rebuild a engine for me that was never done. I would be more then happy to get some input in all of this and would be more than willing to share all info on this matter with anyone. Here is my PH# that has been already given out by mike and now by me. please share your thought on this? (360)956-0347 or E-mail ru4flying@yahoo.com William Walsh. Gordon thanks I will now send him a email that I have fix for him. Gordon Saum wrote: Hi Bill, He did call and started right off on me, he is something else, I simply said if I do anything at all I would work through you. Not to him. I will make it very easy for you and him, just tell him to send the engine back to you( not to me), you send it back to me and I will go through it, AGAIN. The piston that looked back, was just looks, it miked out fine and would have given good service. They run like that in sleds forever. I will make it right to you, but I will not deal with that ##### he is weird. The parts he bought are his problem, tell him to return them. Thanks Gordie <>< 906-492-3520 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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